Viktor vs. Marcus

Originally posted by quanchi112
They were regular vampires in comparison to Viktor. viktor commanded them. It was easy to catch William.

To combat the Lycans and bring his brother in. Viktor deceived him and basically took his brighter from him right in front of him. Awesome moment.

Could be isn't a fact.

Nah, Markus failed. He later paid for his incompetence with his life. He's lucky his father didn't straight kill him.

William didn't have an organized army of lycans with him. Viktor army just took care of any of the people that William happen to turn to a lycan in the Village. The lycans and William were greatly outnumbered and all the elders Vampires were there including Viktor.

As I stated before they never show who, how, or the number of Vampires it took to capture William. However, we know Viktor's army was there and Viktor and Marcus was at the scene of William being capture.

Anyway the last scene of Underworld Evolution destroys any notion that a group of regular Vamps could take William when he was being triple teamed by Selene, Michael, and soldiers.

Originally posted by Kotor3
You act as if the lycans were a army under the control of someone like lucian. Viktor's army attacked a small Villiage that William happen to be in causing havoc.

William didn't have an organized army of lycans with him. Viktor army just took care of any of the people that William happen to turn to a lycan in the Village. The lycans and William were greatly outnumbered and all the elders Vampires were there including Viktor.

As I stated before they never show who, how, or the number of Vampires it took to capture William. However, we know Viktor's army was there and Viktor and Marcus was at the scene of William being capture.

Anyway the last scene of Underworld Evolution destroys any notion that a group of regular Vamps could take William when he was being triple teamed by Selene, Michael, and soldiers.

Yes, victor saw to this himself since both fathers of their respective races were there. This needed to handled delicately.

Michael killed him. A well coordinated effort can bring William in.

MarCus and pretty easily. After all Quan has already admitted MarCus is superior in every way

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
MarCus and pretty easily. After all Quan has already admitted MarCus is superior in every way

Originally posted by quanchi112
They were not an army but they spread and were uncontrollable beasts that needed to be controlled.

Yes, victor saw to this himself since both fathers of their respective races were there. This needed to handled delicately.

Michael killed him. A well coordinated effort can bring William in.

William was smacking around the vamps and was barely being contained. You are correct a well coordinated effort that involved all of the elder vampires as well as a army vampires took down William. Glad you finally agree.

Michael had help killing William. William was triple teamed at one point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Physically and speed wise. So was Michael and he lost. Markus also loses. Quit spelling the name incorrectly.

Credits bud, it's spelled MarCus.

nope, MarCus being superior in every way means it is his fight to lose. Viktor has next to no chance to win.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Credits bud, it's spelled MarCus.

nope, MarCus being superior in every way means it is his fight to lose. Viktor has next to no chance to win.

Viktor already had the best of someone and does the same to Markus.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Viktor already had the best of someone and does the same to Markus.

Is that "someone" equal or superior to Markus?

If not, why do we care?

Originally posted by Placidity
Is that "someone" equal or superior to Markus?

If not, why do we care?

Quan is just like a broken record.

Originally posted by Star428
Quan is just like a broken record.

"kiddo"? You're funny, Quan. I'd wager that I'm much older and wiser than you are, kid.

Seriously, your repeated nonsense that Viktor beats someone who is older and overall much more powerful because he's more cunning when nothing has been shown to suggest that he is getting really old.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is less than Markus but victor has the cunning to take out Markus. He always showed himself to be his mental superior and just took his brother right in front of him after lying. Markus took it like a ***** for centuries.

You've already conceded the argument. MarCus is more powerful than Viktor and thus he's likely to win. Viktor isn't cunning at all nor is his tactically perceptive at all. I've illustrated numerous tactical mistakes and lack of cunning throughout his history. Time and time again he was either treated like a feeb or lacked any type of cunning. For you to even say he wins based of cunning, when I've illustrated his piss poor cunning is hilarious. It's actually a weakness of his, not a strength. Thus, since this is what you're hanging your hat on, MarCus wins even more convincingly

Didn't Viktor lose to his daughter? He lost to the head Lycan as well. The guy is on a losing spree.

He's pretty much lost every major one v one encounter he's had sans Raze... He's the epitome of a bad planner, terrible judge of character and an even worse swordsman. He reeks of fail

Originally posted by Star428
"kiddo"? You're funny, Quan. I'd wager that I'm much older and wiser than you are, [b]kid.

Seriously, your repeated nonsense that Viktor beats someone who is older and overall much more powerful because he's more cunning when nothing has been shown to suggest that he is getting really old. [/B]

He already did so to Michael. I debate based off the evidence.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You've already conceded the argument. MarCus is more powerful than Viktor and thus he's likely to win. Viktor isn't cunning at all nor is his tactically perceptive at all. I've illustrated numerous tactical mistakes and lack of cunning throughout his history. Time and time again he was either treated like a feeb or lacked any type of cunning. For you to even say he wins based of cunning, when I've illustrated his piss poor cunning is hilarious. It's actually a weakness of his, not a strength. Thus, since this is what you're hanging your hat on, MarCus wins even more convincingly

Markus was his ***** for centuries so regardless of your opinion he was more cunning than Markus.

Nope, I've already proved ViKtor's cunning was piss poor.. just like his decision making and judgment of Character. I've listed all facts that you can't counter. His cunning was piss poor

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nope, I've already proved ViKtor's cunning was piss poor.. just like his decision making and judgment of Character. I've listed all facts that you can't counter. His cunning was piss poor

His cunning had Markus subservient to him for hundreds of years. High five Viktor.

Am I not rememberinrg things right because I remembering Marcus being the first vampire and an elder.