To once again comment on Viktor being cunning, is he really? About a month ago I picked up this movie for 3 bucks at a Family Dollar. After watching it again..Viktor strikes me as astoundingly stupid.
Let us set the stage, Selene has woken him up early because she believes Lucian is alive and Kraven is a traitor. So Viktors response is to say that Kraven will look for any evidence to prove Selene's claims. Again, Viktor is essentially saying "Hey Kraven, Selene says you are a traitor, it is your job to find evidence that proves her right".
Smart? Cunning? This is like if a cop pulls me over because he suspects I have drugs in my car and then tells me it is up to ME to search the car and let them know of any drugs I find.
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Let's not even get into him not realizing his daughter was failing for Lucian
He didn't notice Lucian falling for his daughter
Him not figuring things out earlier or even his harsh judgment of the situation lead Lucian to revolt... take the werewolves with him.. start this war that cost my vampires their life and eventually get a sword shoved down his throat by Lucain
He believed his captain of the guard didn't give Lucian the key to free him
He kept tannas alive who in turn told them about all of Viktor's betrayal and secrets. Lead her to Alexander who in turn killed the last elder. Why keep him alive?
Why keep Selene alive knowing she could free MarCus brother as she knew where he was. he also failed to notice selene falling for Michael when it was clear as day to a 5 year old she was. She tried to stop him once and yet he didn't mind his surroundings and realize she might try again and he promptly got his head sliced in two.
He was basically a walking buffon with an accent in the movie. Nothing more
Let us not even get into his daughter. The one who he truly finds out what she is up to by merely biting her. So...Viktor could of just bit Selene and then he'd know for sure whether or not she truly saw Lucian. Or could of just bit Kraven to see if he had betrayed him. Or could of just bit Kraven the moment he mysteriously appeared as the only vampire to survive an assault on Lucians castle and "kill" him.
Tannis makes him even more stupid. Not only did he keep Tannis alive, but he banished him and sent SELENE to do it. Uh, wouldn't she be the one person he doesn't want Tannis near? For fear that due to being pissed over being banned he might of spilled the beans?
Tannis is also a perfect example of why Lucian wasn't actually a "good" guy. Since I've seen some people come away from the first movie thinking the lycans were good and vampires evil.
I think it's very easy to come away with that impression actually. The vampires started the war. Viktor killed Lucians love. Viktor killed Selene family. Lucian stated he wanted to end the war.. not continue it by merging the species. So it was no longer vampires against werewolves. Later we see Lucian convince Selene to bite Michael to save him and in turn merge the species.. something she was distinctly opposed to at the start of the movies. Since Selene is the hero of the story and the "good" figure.. her siding with Lucian and not viktor further gave that impression.
Originally posted by SurturI think you are misremembering.
To once again comment on Viktor being cunning, is he really? About a month ago I picked up this movie for 3 bucks at a Family Dollar. After watching it again..Viktor strikes me as astoundingly stupid.Let us set the stage, Selene has woken him up early because she believes Lucian is alive and Kraven is a traitor. So Viktors response is to say that Kraven will look for any evidence to prove Selene's claims. Again, Viktor is essentially saying "Hey Kraven, Selene says you are a traitor, it is your job to find evidence that proves her right".
Smart? Cunning? This is like if a cop pulls me over because he suspects I have drugs in my car and then tells me it is up to ME to search the car and let them know of any drugs I find.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I think it's very easy to come away with that impression actually. The vampires started the war. Viktor killed Lucians love. Viktor killed Selene family. Lucian stated he wanted to end the war.. not continue it by merging the species. So it was no longer vampires against werewolves. Later we see Lucian convince Selene to bite Michael to save him and in turn merge the species.. something she was distinctly opposed to at the start of the movies. Since Selene is the hero of the story and the "good" figure.. her siding with Lucian and not viktor further gave that impression.
No, the vampires didn't start the war. Viktor did. Not the same thing. You make it seem like ALL the vampires were responsible. Also, Viktor killing "Lucian's love" doesn't necessarily make him "evil" because he thought he was protecting his species as he said to Selene at end of movie. It's not like he got any kind of pleasure out of killing her. He felt he had no choice. Guess we have a different idea of what "being evil" really means. Perhaps Viktor himself was actually evil but to label all vampires from the Underworld movies as evil or even the majority of them is pushing it. Yes, the vampires from most movies are evil but those in UW, generally speaking, didn't really seem that way to me. Nor did the lycans seem particularly "good" either. Both species killed humans for food. Actually, I think the vampires very rarely did. Selene even mentioned in Evolution to Michael how he wouldn't want killing humans to be on his conscience.To me, neither species was either particularly "evil"or "good".
Originally posted by Surtur
To once again comment on Viktor being cunning, is he really? About a month ago I picked up this movie for 3 bucks at a Family Dollar. After watching it again..Viktor strikes me as astoundingly stupid.Let us set the stage, Selene has woken him up early because she believes Lucian is alive and Kraven is a traitor. So Viktors response is to say that Kraven will look for any evidence to prove Selene's claims. Again, Viktor is essentially saying "Hey Kraven, Selene says you are a traitor, it is your job to find evidence that proves her right".
Smart? Cunning? This is like if a cop pulls me over because he suspects I have drugs in my car and then tells me it is up to ME to search the car and let them know of any drugs I find.
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Yeah I always thought Victor was a dumbass for that one
Originally posted by Star428
No, the vampires didn't start the war. Viktor did. Not the same thing. You make it seem like ALL the vampires were responsible. Also, Viktor killing "Lucian's love" doesn't necessarily make him "evil" because he thought he was protecting his species as he said to Selene at end of movie. It's not like he got any kind of pleasure out of killing her. He felt he had no choice. Guess we have a different idea of what "being evil" really means. Perhaps Viktor himself was actually evil but to label [b]all vampires from the Underworld movies as evil or even the majority of them is pushing it. Yes, the vampires from most movies are evil but those in UW, generally speaking, didn't really seem that way to me. Nor did the lycans seem particularly "good" either. Both species killed humans for food. Actually, I think the vampires very rarely did. Selene even mentioned in Evolution to Michael how he wouldn't want killing humans to be on his conscience.To me, neither species was either particularly "evil"or "good". [/B]
Umm ViKtor actions reflect DIRECTLY on Vampires being that he is one and one their leaders. In fact, they were under the impression he was the oldest and strongest (cause of his lies) So they followed him and his actions. They are equally culpable. Just like people are convicted on War Crimes even though they didn't get the direct order and were just following them. They are still held accountable. Same thing here. They acted and followed ViKtor's lead. I don't get into evil or who was evil. I was talking about Good vs. Bad not necessarily evil. My point is, I'm not sure how you couldn't come away with the impression the werewolves came across as the good guys and the Vampires bad... I clearly got that kinda feel.
Originally posted by Robtard
I personally wouldn't call them "good", but they definitely weren't the instigators of the war and Lucian came off as less of a psycho than Victor.
Which is why I put " " around the word good. I was usually that term loosely, but they distinctly came across as more good than Vampires. However, yeah, I wouldn't exactly call them good lol
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which is why I put " " around the word good. I was usually that term loosely, but they distinctly came across as more good than Vampires. However, yeah, I wouldn't exactly call them good lol
I was expressing my point of view and seemingly agreeing with you, not countering what you said.