Viktor vs. Marcus

Originally posted by quanchi112
I responded point by point. You didn't. Viktor wins.

#concessionaccepted

Ignoring and repeating yourself is not a response nor is your whining. But you are entertaining.

Viktor is Marcus inferior in strength, speed, and combat. Please tell me how Viktor is winning. Facts not your ridiculous tactical comments.

Originally posted by Kotor3
You've become quite the liar now haven't you? I have many post stating that you were ignoring previous statements by me. You are more than welcome to prove how you responded, because you haven't.

Ignoring and repeating yourself is not a response nor is your whining. But you are entertaining.

Viktor is Marcus inferior in strength, speed, and combat. Please tell me how Viktor is winning. Facts not your ridiculous tactical comments.

marCus beats the buffoon easily, after all he's more powerful

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your interpretation is flawed and biased. Viktor remained in power.

1. Lie. He defeated his daughter after he held back.

2. Sunlight restricted his movement. He survived.

3. False. He beat him up and left him dazed. His men then got involved to which Selene intervenes.

Lies.

Incorrect. his daughter defeated him while holding back. she treated him like a weak feeb in their one v one battle. On the other hand.. he was only able to reverse her advantageous position when she was distracted. Her being distracted in the only way he gained the advantage.

2. Wrong again, Lucian bossed the fight their and outmaneuvered Viktor to put him in that position. Agani, he was treated like a feeb

3. Incorrect again, he was being owned by somebody that was a noob, no fighting experience, no training who just got his power and was unarmed. Viktor had eons of training and experience with his powers AND a weapon and was getting owned. Pitiful

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
marCus beats the buffoon easily, after all he's more powerful

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Incorrect. his daughter defeated him while holding back. she treated him like a weak feeb in their one v one battle. On the other hand.. he was only able to reverse her advantageous position when she was distracted. Her being distracted in the only way he gained the advantage.

2. Wrong again, Lucian bossed the fight their and outmaneuvered Viktor to put him in that position. Agani, he was treated like a feeb

3. Incorrect again, he was being owned by somebody that was a noob, no fighting experience, no training who just got his power and was unarmed. Viktor had eons of training and experience with his powers AND a weapon and was getting owned. Pitiful

2. False. The sun was in play and he caused more sunlight in limiting Viktor's movements. He still was unable to kill him with a. Free attack.

3. He was about to kill a stronger and faster hybrid. Amazing showing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I corrected you. You trolled. Viktor's training and tactical acumen win. Markus was sloppy and relied on his physical attributes. Viktor makes him pay. He's already gotten the better of someone greater in terms of strength and speed.

So once again, how does Viktor beat Marcus who is superior in speed, strength, and combat?

Originally posted by Kotor3
Do you know how to answer a question? Stopping acting like an idiot seriously. You say Viktor got the better of Michael. Well, so did Marcus. Marcus did it without any help and Michael was more experience.

So once again, how does Viktor beat Marcus who is superior in speed, strength, and combat?

Due to superior fighting tactics and more cunning in battle than Markus.

Originally posted by quanchi112
At no point did Michael fight anymore effectively. The events happened right after so acting like his training or fighting for that matter changed is being disingenuous.

Due to superior fighting tactics and more cunning in battle than Markus.

You lose so hard in this argument that you fanboyism for Viktor is becoming most disturbing.

Originally posted by Kotor3
You have yet to prove how Viktor is more cunning or tactical than Marcus in battle. So that is your opinion? Going off of facts:
Marcus had the combo of Selene and Michael running.
Marcus killed and defeated Michael. Viktor did not. You can say all you want that if Selene did not interfere Viktor would have won. Well Selene intertered in Marcus and Michael fight and Marcus still won.
Marcus is superior to Viktor in strength
Marcus is superior to Viktor in speed
Marcus is superior to Viktor in hand to hand combat.

You lose so hard in this argument that you fanboyism for Viktor is becoming most disturbing.

Markus beat on a physically weaker Michael to himself. Markus was the physical top dog who had more training etc. so he had every advantage including flight as well on Michael.

Viktor was lesser than Michael yet he physically worked him over. The same happens to Markus who was overconfident and retarded throughout the films to serve as a lapdog despite being the father of the vampire species.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on him getting the better of someone who is stronger and faster.

Markus beat on a physically weaker Michael to himself. Markus was the physical top dog who had more training etc. so he had every advantage including flight as well on Michael.

Viktor was lesser than Michael yet he physically worked him over. The same happens to Markus who was overconfident and retarded throughout the films to serve as a lapdog despite being the father of the vampire species.

For argument sake, lets go with your theories. Based upon your comments then you would have to admit that Marcus still wins or is a least highly favored to win the majority of the fights.

Here's why:
If Michael is superior to Viktor in speed and strength and Marcus is superior as you stated, to Michael physically. Then that puts Viktor two levels below Marcus.

So Viktor showing the ability to fight Michael who is one level above him does not necessarily mean he can fight some one two levels above him which is Marcus.

Lets remember Marcus did defeat and kill Michael quite soundly.

Based on this Viktor loses.

Originally posted by Kotor3
This is the Michael who rip half of Marcus's brother (the original werewolf) head off, right?

For argument sake, lets go with your theories. Based upon your comments then you would have to admit that Marcus still wins or is a least highly favored to win the majority of the fights.

Here's why:
If Michael is superior to Viktor in speed and strength and Marcus is superior as you stated, to Michael physically. Then that puts Viktor two levels below Marcus.

So Viktor showing the ability to fight Michael who is one level above him does not necessarily mean he can fight some one two levels above him which is Marcus.

Lets remember Marcus did defeat and kill Michael quite soundly.

Based on this Viktor loses.

Markus does not beat Viktor. Markus beats Michael.

It shows he can fight and defeat stronger and faster opponents through cunning and Formidability.

Viktor wins. You saying a more superior hybrid with more years of experience beating a weaker opponent has always been dumb.

I'm better than you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
William wasn't a hybrid Markus was. 😂

Markus does not beat Viktor. Markus beats Michael.

It shows he can fight and defeat stronger and faster opponents through cunning and Formidability.

Viktor wins. You saying a more superior hybrid with more years of experience beating a weaker opponent has always been dumb.

I'm better than you.

Except Viktor did not defeat a stronger and faster opponent. You said he was winning against Michael. Well let me be the first to tell you, winning does not translate to win.

Talk about double standards, you want to call out Marcus years of experience over Michael but totally deny the advantages it gave Viktor over Michael. Can you say hypocrite?

Once again, you try to downplay Marcus win over Michael to make Viktor look good. Sorry dude your epic fail is growing by the minute.

Please repeat yourself again with no proof. Concession accepted. I win.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Dude you are seriously trolling.
So William was weak. The same William that it took and army of Vampires to take him down with the assistance of his brother. You are too much.

Except Viktor did not defeat a stronger and faster opponent. You said he was winning against Michael. Well let me be the first to tell you, winning does not translate to win.

Talk about double standards, you want to call out Marcus years of experience over Michael but totally deny the advantages it gave Viktor over Michael. Can you say hypocrite?

Once again, you try to downplay Marcus win over Michael to make Viktor look good. Sorry dude your epic fail is growing by the minute.

Please repeat yourself again with no proof. Concession accepted. I win.

He was about to win save Selena's involvement.

I always said that was an advantage for Viktor. Pay the **** attention, troll.

Markus had every single advantage so why is that impressive ? Michael had zero advantages. 😂

You're a troll who lies about the films. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Michael wrecked him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
William took down regular vampires and turned them into mindless Lycans.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It took a group of vampires to take those Lycans down and contain that. They easily took William in. Watch the film, troll.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Markus had every single advantage so why is that impressive ? Michael had zero advantages. 😂

You're a troll who lies about the films. 🙂

I win again. Too easy.

I am just going to chime in: it was a group of like a dozen vampires that ended up capturing William. If you want to call that an army feel free. The army was mostly needed to deal with all the Lycans springing up in Williams wake.

Also see, you kind of did lie. First it was "It took an army of vampires to take him down" then it became "it took an army of vampires to take William and HIS LYCANS down". You see the big detail you did not mention in your first claim?

You saying it took an army to take him down implies a scene of hundreds upon hundreds of vampires trying to take him down. Which nope, ain't the case.

Originally posted by Kotor3
You call me a liar. Let us see who the liar is here:
Lie one. Michael won but far from a wrecking.

Lie # 2. These Vampires were trained soldiers. Who had assistance from Marcus.

Lie # 3 and 4. It took Viktor’s army of trained soldiers who were vampires to take down the Lycans and William. It was far from easy. Marcus, Viktor and Amelia all had to help.

Lie # 5 and 6.
Michael abilities were unlimited and unknown. That is why he came back to life. You are the only liar here.

I win again. Too easy.

They didn't want to kill William. That is essential and they did so easily. They stopped him and his antics. Viktor commanded but Markus stood by and was scared for his brother when they hurt him.

Michael was not unlimited. He's a hybrid as was Markus.

You lost, again. Pitiful. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
They were regular vampires compared to Viktor. I am right as rain

They didn't want to kill William. That is essential and they did so easily. They stopped him and his antics. Viktor commanded but Markus stood by and was scared for his brother when they hurt him.

Michael was not unlimited. He's a hybrid as was Markus.

You lost, again. Pitiful. 🙂

No you didn't miss those words you ignored them as usual. Why did Marcus make Viktor a Vampire? You ignored those reasons also but instead spread your lies.

Selene: [to Michael] There's never been a hybrid before. However ambivalent you might feel about it, the truth is, your powers could be limitless. You depend on blood.

So, Selene says they could be limitless and we see Michael come back alive after being killed by Marcus.

You lose for the 100th time. Try again.

I just watch the ending scene between William, Selene and Michael. William's hits on Michael had much more of an affect on Michael than Michael's hits on William.

Next Selene plus the men in the helicopter all assisted Michael by shooting William numerous times before his brother Marcus came to his assistance.

Selene did not try to fight William straight up instead she back away and shot him.

So William was tripped team by Selene, Michael, and soldiers in a helicopter and quanchi112 wants us to believe that a group of regular vampires captured William.

I challenge quanchi112 to find a quote or anything that states or shows a group of vampire taking William down. The movie only shows Viktor army attacking a village that William was in and the next scene William is shown capture. We never see how many soldiers it took but we know Viktor's army was there.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Did you miss the word army and trained soldiers? Viktor, Marcus and Amelia all worked together in the capture of William?

No you didn't miss those words you ignored them as usual. Why did Marcus make Viktor a Vampire? You ignored those reasons also but instead spread your lies.

Selene: [to Michael] There's never been a hybrid before. However ambivalent you might feel about it, the truth is, your powers could be limitless. You depend on blood.

So, Selene says they could be limitless and we see Michael come back alive after being killed by Marcus.

You lose for the 100th time. Try again.

To combat the Lycans and bring his brother in. Viktor deceived him and basically took his brighter from him right in front of him. Awesome moment.

Could be isn't a fact.

Nah, Markus failed. He later paid for his incompetence with his life. He's lucky his father didn't straight kill him.