Sidious didn't "need" to put much effort or skill into beating Fisto.
Into attaining victory? Nope.
Into stomping him in three strikes? Questionable.
And he didn't merely accomplish beating him or deal with him. He curbstomped him. Which is a level beyond those descriptions. Curbstomping someone is well in excess to merely defeating them. By your own definition, Sidious did not need much effort or skill to deal with Fisto in their fight.
Your issue now is that you believe "curbstomping" can't possibly fall under the umbrella term "defeating" - Caedus can defeat Saba "with difficulty". The question is what the nature of this victory would be - a curbstomp, a decent fight? It's ambiguous. You seem to believe that "dealing with" someone cannot possibly also mean stomping them. Not true.
Your other point, about Fisto. You admitted that Sidious could clown him, so I win.
Clown him, sure.
But he didn't clown Savage in three moves. He clowned him in like, 7, or 10. He did it effortlessly but he didn't get the same results would he have put in effort. Would he have put in effort I'm sure Sidious would have went from clowning Savage in over a handful of moves to Fisto'ing him.
That's the level I see Saba at, which is why I'm making these comparisons. I know later on you go on to say "base your conclusion around evidence, Saba can contend with Caedus", and I'd agree if it was explicitly stated that she can contend with him. But she can't. She's just difficult to defeat, in whatever manner that means.
It specifically says it's difficult if you need "much effort." That isn't the same as any degree. Maybe you should go look up the definition for "much" next, because somehow primary school children know the meaning of a word better than you do.
Lol, you're getting awfully excited because I tripped up on my phrasing. Is this perhaps the highlight of your day, Neph? I do hope not. 😱
Why not? The underlying concept is the same. Just like I did not merely pass the test, I aced it, Sidious did not merely beat Fisto, he crushed him.That you are unable to recognise that there are degree's to which something may be accomplished demonstrates a lack of intelligence on your part and is very troubling about your mental maturity.
I've acknowledged that there are degrees.
The point that you are missing is that you have not yet produced anything to suggest that Sidious, without applying "much effort" (😉 ), can wipe Fisto out in three moves.
P-Pretty sure I don't need to prove that. He already did stomp Fisto with very little effort, while also fighting Mace Windu at the same time. Killing someone in 3 attacks is very little effort.
No, killing someone in three attacks constitutes a stomp, not how much effort went into attaining that stomp. Show me Sidious stomping Fisto, or someone similar, in three or less moves while not exerting "much effort".
Fisto was present for that, so Sidious was fighting him at the same time. It's just that he was too slow to actually do anything.
Dooku vs Yoda, perhaps? Yoda can clearly defeat Dooku, but it would still be difficult for him to do so and require some no small effort on his part.
This is entirely plausible. As is my theory.
With that said, the fact Saba has a good amount of difficulty with Kenth Hamner, I'm thinking she's more along the lines of Fisto than Dooku.
I don't actually want to support Saba and I didn't get into this spat with you because of that. I saw that you said something incredibly stupid so I pointed and laughed at the idiot.
How noble of you. 😂
And if he did "need" to put that much effort into the fight, it was because he was fighting Mace (mother****ing) Windu at the same time. Something you continually neglect to account for.
Hence why in my last post I said it wasn't the perfect comparison. However it's not like Fisto suddenly becomes a bag of potatoes without Mace there. He still deflected what came his way for as long as he could, whereas other duelists like Aayla Secura have been put on their asses in one hit while engaging lesser duelists, even with Mace at their side to carry some of the weight.
You know for someone claiming not to be obsessed with me, you sure are spending a long time arguing with me instead of responding to SunRazer.
As soon as he agreed Nihl is more skilled than Saba I was done, tbh. We talk outside of KMC so I didn't feel the need to press him on it anymore here in a formal matter. That okay with you, dear? 💃