Originally posted by Jmanghan
Such as?I know everyone vouches for her haxing force powers. "10/10 BEST DRAIN, DRAIN OF THE YEAR!"
When in reality, it isn't impressive in the slightest, and there's no guarantee lesser characters couldn't replicate it.
It shall be kept in mind that Force Drain powers are among the most difficult to master and utilize in combat situations. Even Darth Bane wasn't able to use Force Drain powers for combat purposes without drawing on the power of a nexus. And Darth Vader haven't demonstrated aptitude for these powers.
"Meetra" (I hate that name) was nerfed pretty hard and nothing she did in the book says she'd have a shot against Vader in pure sabers. That said, Luke was riding a dark side boost when he bested his father, so that wasn't really an indicator of his skills in a normal fight.
So in this battle I say Exile wins on sheer experience, unless Luke gets really pissed and taps into his rage buff.
In some sense, yes. On the other hand, KOTOR 2 is generally an upscaled version of the rest of the SW universe, but with the same hierarchy. That is, the ancient sith such as Tulak Hord are far greater than Avellone!Meetra, but in Avellone's world, the ancient sith are galaxy-shaping masterminds/deities. Case in point, Avellone has Vader and Sidious>Nihilus, so how he'd depict those two would be far different than the rest of their material. In the same way, Revan!Meetra is still far weaker than Hord, just on a much different scale. Avellone Meetra is also much weaker than Avellone!Revan, but again, on a different scale.
TL;DR, KOTOR 2 Exile is the same as Meetra, in all actuality. Vader slaughterfest tbh
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Meh I don't think that's true. Kreia was the one who was able to recognise the styles of others and respond with the perfect counter, due to shatterpoint. The Exile was just a very quick learner, because the bonds she established with others, considering that she shared a bond with Kreia she's merely taking Kreia's evaluations, gaining insta knowledge of those concepts, and turning it against her opponent.However Kreia isn't here, so she lacks that advantage.Considering ROTJ Luke matched Vader's strength blow for blow, I'd hardly say she has a strength advantage. Luke also has very impressive speed feats also. And considering that he has been described as Vader's equal in lightsaber combat, and in their duel on the Death Star pushed Vader to his limits, I would also conclude that Luke has the advantage in skill (and probably overall Force strength for that matter.)
Altogether Luke has a strong chance of winning this.
She becomes highly adept at the Ataru lightsaber form by meeting Zez-Kai Ell
"Perhaps exile has been good to you indeed - it has certainly not dulled your instincts, nor the speed at which you learn." - Zez-Kai EllSource: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
Whether in friendship or in battle, you learn the lightsaber stance Ataru after meeting with Zez-Kai Ell. This stance is perfect for one-on-one battles, like the duel you just survived.Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords: Prima Official Game Guide
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She becomes highly adept at the Shien lightsaber form through meeting Vrook:
"Hmmm... I don't know how you learnt that so quickly. Still, your form is sloppy. Keep practicing to tighten it up, and you'll be fine."Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
Whether you ally with Jedi Master Vrook or fight him, you learn a new lightsaber form, Shien, during your encounter. This form improves your defense and makes critical strikes more potent.Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords: Prima Official Game Guide
She masters the Juyo form through meeting Master Kavar:
"Excellent! I'm impressed with how quickly you've mastered this form. I always knew you were gifted." - KavarSource: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
"There are times when you want to overwhelm a particular opponent quickly. For these situations, use the Juyo form. Do not get carried away using this form, particularly against Dark Jedi. The ferocity required to use this form leaves one vulnerable to enemy Force powers." - KavarSource: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
By mastering Form VII: Juyo we know she must be a master of multiple other lightsaber forms:
Only high-level masters of multiple forms can achieve and control the ultimate discipline known as Form VII.Source: Insider #62: Fightsaber
There is a leap in logic there, better yet instead of clinging to Carthage's sole lifeline which is the Vader duel, taking a look at opponents Luke has fought even after this is quite telling, the likes of Lumiya and more have all given Luke a red ass.
The idea that Surik isn't good enough to give Luke a good fight when plenty of lesser characters have is pretty ludicrous.