Originally posted by DarkSaint85
By that rationale, teleporters are also speedsters?@carver:
Whu? Where in my post did I say Zoom stops Flash from moving?
You do know how his powers work, right? He moves at NORMAL speed, but in a different time frame to others. It has always been thus.
But again, OP: He is one man. How many beings are above Hulk in strength? Now go reread what this thread actually asks.
Ah you already explained this as well as Bran, which Carver ducked out on.
He knew this already, but conveniently "forgot"
Originally posted by riv6672
Image isnt loading for me but...i'll take your word for it.😛Its cool that you compare the Celestials feat to a feat accomplished by a Hulk who wasnt the strongest ever seen though...🙂
I been in GD all day discussing politics and come here to see Bran double fisting Riv and put him away dry.
#rivownedagain.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It doesn't matter what I compare it to. That feat is beyond every single Hulk feat put together.And the Crossroads feat was purely because Hulk was fighting Ironclad (giant pussy) at an interdimensional crossroads. The first scan even says it. There were pockets in the Crossroads that were turning both of them into kids too. It was not a stable place.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Hulk305_06b.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Hulk305_07b.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Hulk305_08b.jpg.htmlEven Vector was able to repel 'everything' in the Crossroads
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Hulk305_10b.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Hulk305_11a.jpg.htmlYet, what is left out is that Vector became a prisoner of a mere world's winds throwing the planet back in that same issue:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Hulk305_17a.jpg.htmlIt's a good feat. But it is utterly eclipsed by anything of approaching skyfather let alone abstract. Hell, who he was fighting there tells the entire story. Ironclad, who at that moment was acting as an equal to Hulk. Hulk later easily beat him in the same issue without the same collateral damage.
And if you're using this as a Hulk feat, then it's equally halved by Ironclad, who you might as well be saying COULD BE above Celestial level. 😬
Originally posted by carver9👆
What lies? Point them out. At least debate on a forum that requires you to debate. That's all you do is go in threads calling everyone trolls and cheerleading. Look at all my post and see what I am attempting or doing. Now go back and look at your posts and do a comparison. Moral; add something to these threads other than what you are doing.
Originally posted by carver9
(I might as well continue with this debate since it has already started)
And here's the deal. What I usually do is focus solely on my opposition in a debate and ignore the crowd entirely which leads to a clear "one on one" if you will. I don't like wasting posts, which is why I try to fit as much as I can in one post before I make another. Which leads to people not reading my posts more often than not. And that doesn't bother me since I only want to make the other person concede or at least feel wrong. It's a real people business.
But as we can see, your concessions are meaningless. All they are is an attempt to halt the posting while you continue believing your previous ignorance. You are a huge liar, and you just realized you backed yourself into a corner. Which leads to more lies.
So what I'm going to do here is something I don't enjoy doing; which is appealing to crowds. So I'm going to make a series of bite sized completely digestible posts with the sole intention that they get read and you look like a giant dill dough in the process.
It's going to be fun, trust me. 🙂
Bran says:
"I want everyone to point and laugh at you."
Originally posted by carver9
I already said the Celestials could be stronger than him but what I am also saying is, I think Marvel has acknowledge Hulk as the strongest in said Universe and a lot of evidence points towards this. That's if you look at everything as a whole.
Originally posted by carver9
A Celestial is too big to compare Hulk strength too so I am going to have to say no on that one and you posted a good scan of them not too long ago.
There you are trying to backtrack immediately off the bat because you knew you made a mistake. Can you believe this guy Sin? This is the kind of guy who would re-molest a kid but act like he's doing it backwards so it takes the act back.
"As you can clearly, see, the whole action is in rewind, so it takes back the whole molesting of that delicious 8 year old boy that I previously did."
"... why would you record this?"
Also it doesn't matter what Marvel "says" on the matter, nor does your twisting answer the question. Stan Marvel Quesada Bendis the Third isn't in here arguing that Hulk isn't stronger than Celestials... but wait maybe he is stronger than him now that you bring up him being weaker than billions of beings. You are. You are doing this. These are your words.
It doesn't hurt that Marvel hasn't actually said this either besides blanket statements of "Hulk is the strongest there is"
Bran says:
"Carver thinks he's the Prep Man of Marvel, where every word is a mere extension of the company. Marvel isn't going to be happy when they find the cellar full of young sporting boys."
Originally posted by carver9You honestly believe that you... wait, Marvel said it not you! That fricking Marvel and all the hecks they give!
An example of this would be Hulks power being compared to the Celestials (not one but all) themselves...http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/celestialtechulk.png
And this was said by someone who works closely with the Celestials (let me know if i need to post his entire history with the Celestials).
http://s2.photobucket.com/user/Nightmareman95/media-full/NM95/nxm97pg04.jpg.html
This is where we go back to potential. From what we've seen so far, Hulk has been compared not only to one lone Celestial but many.
But anyway, it was not "Hulk's" power that Apocalypse was after. It was the dimensional energy that Hulk was channeling. You've been torn to shreds by this many times. I believe EbonyPietist has seen it. Why don't we ask him? That guy knows your shit better than everyone.
Let's tackle this however so you can't just play stupid.
Here's what Apocalypse talks about:
Now what is this energy Apocalypse is talking about? Why don't we look at where it talked about this energy?
IE it was the energy from the pocket universe and others piling into Hulk.
But even the potential power of Hulk's new power would have been meaningless considering one Celestial was going to destroy the Heroes Reborn Universe:
And it was afterall just a creation of Franklin Richards who was a peer to the Celestials when this was just a test for him so they could teach him a lesson. Afterwards Ashema kept the universe safe:
IE, it doesn't add up why this power would even challenge one Celestial, let alone THE ENTIRE CELESTIAL RACE OMG
As for how much stock you're putting in Apocalypse... Apocalypse said some of the dumbest shit ever in that series. All Apocalypse knows about them is off of a machine, and everytime he sees one in person he cries his eyes out. But let's take a look at how much stock we should put in Apocalypse here.
Apocalypse calls himself a God:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/hulk/Hulk457_18b.jpg
Calls himself the strongest of all:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/hulk/Hulk457_11a.jpg
Compares his own power to a Celestial, and Apoc says he's the strongest one of all.
Says Celestial's power supercedes every power but his own, and having trouble with Juggernaut is a good test for someone who IYO has enough power to match the entire Celestial race:
And for comparison's sake, here's the power that compares to Apocalypse, and by extension the Celestials:
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/hulk/Hulk456_05a.jpg.html?sort=3&o=16
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/hulk/Hulk456_05b.jpg.html?sort=3&o=18
IE, Apocalypse is a terrible judge of the Celestial might. Just like a Deviant. The ****ing guy says he's on a Celestial level in the series.
It's meaningless, and backed by nothing. The mere fact that Hulk had trouble with Juggernaut destroys the notion that he can take one Celestial let alone the whole Celestial race you dingus.
Everyone laugh at this fool.
Bran says:
"Carver would cling to a fresh stool in the toilet if it was green."
Originally posted by carver9
We have Thor under the same breath who has fought against the Celestial themselves telling us that Hulk strength is Devine. Is above anyone's he's faced.
Originally posted by carver9
I am going to say this though (this has nothing to do with my stance on Hulk strength being comparable to a Celestial)...Thor himself has said Hulk could be the strongest being he's faced...
I don't know what more to say on that. You're a blatant liar.
Also, a blanket statement again is meaningless. Thor fought Thanos with the IG, Exitar, beings that literally flicked him out cold, and other things by that time. Him getting cheapshotted by Hulk and saying a blanket statement doesn't include everyone. That's stupid to think. Do I need to post scans of Thor vs the a Rhunian for you to realize how meaningless that statement is?
Bran says:
"Carver likes to lie, and also lie on his back to bite the pillow."
Originally posted by carver9Because you don't have any feats that come close. You tried to act like me posting comparisons was some sort of big meaningless act that meant nothing, yet here you are using complete hyperbole to try and prove something. Here you are lying and twisting context. Here you are using proof which has been shattered before to you. Yet you think igniting some sort of argument about Hulk being the strongest there is when you realize you just talked yourself into a gay corner is the best course of action?
I'm not even including fts here because that's meaningless.
All you're using is hyperbole. And the funniest thing is you're using hyperbole against "omnipotent space Gods" who operate in "transinfinite levels of power". What hyperbole do you think carries more merit in this situation? Do I need to post all the statements calling them omnipotent for you to understand your hyperbole is meaningless?
Bran says:
"Carver just admitted that feats are meaningless in the face of proving something. Carver is more impressed by the thought of a 12 inch penis than Deshawn waving his 10 incher in Carver's armpits."
Originally posted by carver9I don't know what this scan involves because you completely screwed up, but I'm guessing it involves breaking the Crimson Bands.
Here is Hulk overpowering Cyttorak enchantment and as shown, Cyttorak had enough power to control a portion of the Phoenix Force and bend the stars themselves with a portion of his power. Here is Hulk overpowering the enchantment...
Something Namor, Captain Britain, and many others has done.
I don't even get your correlation here anyway. How does Hulk breaking an enchantment not cast by Cy mean anything in the face of a Celestial? What a useless feat that you completely screwed up trying to show.
Bran says:
"Carver thinks Captain Britain is stronger than a Celestial. Great feat Carver."
Originally posted by carver9I'm glad you actually made a solid claim without trying to mask a way out.
Before someone throw out there that Hulk was amped...he wasn't. Read Apocalypse words. The Celestial armor gave Hulk control over his own power. Let's continue please...
Because you're wrong. Dead wrong. I'll let Iceman describe how wrong you are when he sees this. Iceman's words will be enough.
Twice here:
Bran says:
"Carver is going to need put his clothes on backwards to backtrack away from this."
Originally posted by carver9Again, blanket statement. You show proof that he has measured Celestials and included them in that and you might have something (you don't). Hell, that doesn't even imply that the Celestials weren't off the charts too in your made up fantasy world.
Reed Richards has measured power from Nova Prime all the way to the Celestials but he was unable to read Hulks powers levels. His power was off REEDS chart...http://rs160.pbsrc.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkpoweroffcharts.jpg~320x480
Wonder if Reed can measure Flash speed?
Bran says:
"Carver accepts any mention of a being being the strongest there is, but he would flip his lid if the same logic were applied to Superman, Thor, Silver Surfer, and pretty much any hero not named Hulk."
Originally posted by carver9Why the hell would Shield mean anything? Why would they have measures of Celestials?
SHIELD tells us Hulk is at a power level they've never seen...http://rs160.pbsrc.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest1.jpg~320x480
Beyonder himself...a being mightier than all in MU was in shock of Hulk's power. It's limitless...
Strange who at the time was able to even defend himself against Dormammu shields/mystic barrier crumbles against the most powerful creature on the planet...
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2735985-001___copy.jpg
Right now I'm just posting fts that I'm sure you are aware of. The point I'm making is, when it comes to comparison of strength, Hulk has not been matched and we have as of yet to see a ft he failed at. I also asked you a question that you seem to be avoiding. Has there been a cap shown on Hulk's strength? Evidence would end this debate. You can scream to me how fast you think Flash is but there has as of yet to be a known limit to Hulks strength. Also, Flash isn't faster than all abstracts. Flash had to borrow speed from every being on the planet to match a teleporter. Don't think an abstract would have that problem.
But I'm glad you brought up Beyonder considering the real Beyonder/Kubik said a Celestial was many transinfinite levels above their own power.
Here's just because I accidentally found it.
Because last I checked, transinfinite and nigh omnipotent beat out off the charts strength. You're playing hyperbole with "omnipotent Gods". You really didn't think this through did you?
No, what ends the debate is you admitting that Celestials are stronger than Hulk. You backtracking doesn't negate anything.
And your logic works in the same way for the Celestials; show a limit. But the issue is deeper than that anyway, Hulk has had 50 plus years of straight comics and doesn't have a strength feat near the Celestial level. What does that tell us?
And he was going all out in HOTM anyway, and it was nothing impressive on that level. 😬
Hell, Rogue with the entire planets heroes with Hulk's power and amping ability failed to stop Exitar from slowly descending as well.
lol at you saying evidence would end a debate. You know how fast you'd have a meltdown if that were the case? The amount of backtracking would be stupendous.
Are you saying that Flash failing to match instant travel is a low feat? 😂
Do I need to even address this to show stupid this is? That has nothing to do with someone being faster. And Flash has outraced an abstract level being in Death, so...
Bran says:
"Carver is going to post a false concession. Bet me phaggots."
Also, Riv just got a huge boner from that many posts in a row.
Originally posted by abhilegendCarver didn't say it... Marvel did! If Carver had his way, Marvel would have never said it, naturally. But you know Carver and all, that guy only goes by proof!
Wait, now RIV and Carver think Hulk is stronger than celestials?My god. Is this kmc has come to?
Because a double amped Hulk had issues beating Juggernaut! Hulk was going to beat up the entire Celestial race at the same time!
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Carver didn't say it... Marvel did! If Carver had his way, Marvel would have never said it, naturally. But you know Carver and all, that guy only goes by proof!Because
a double amped Hulk had issues beating Juggernaut!Hulk was going to beat up the entire Celestial race at the same time!
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftOh what the hey, according to Carvel, Marver says that Savage Hulk is stronger than these beings because of Thor's blanket statement:
Do I need to post scans of Thor vs the a Rhunian for you to realize how meaningless that statement is?
Originally posted by carver9
I am going to say this though (this has nothing to do with my stance on Hulk strength being comparable to a Celestial)...Thor himself has said Hulk could be the strongest being he's faced...http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media-full/Vs%20Thor/Fight%205/3.jpg.html
Whatever writer this is had high thoughts of the Hulk. Then we have this...
Originally posted by carver9
This is where we go back to potential. From what we've seen so far, Hulk has been compared not only to one lone Celestial but many. We have Thor under the same breath who has fought against the Celestial themselves telling us that Hulk strength is Devine. Is above anyone's he's faced. I'm not even including fts here because that's meaningless.
UNDER THE SAME BREATH
