The Flash Vs The Hulk, rep to rep

Originally posted by h1a8
Then why did the comic painstakingly talk about Hulk always holding back in comparison to him not now (WB mode)? Why do we see him able to go WB at any given time (straight from Banner) at later times?

I'll change my argument to be more clear.
Hulk possess the ability to go WB at any given moment. Anger has nothing to do with it.

Red she Hulk doesn't exist. Semantics are irrelevant since i can say that potentially flash isn't the fastest because a writer can one day create a character even faster or just as fast. That's not constructive to the spirit. Let's focus on the spirit.

At any time - really???

I might as well ask why did they painstakingly continually refer to him as being 'angrier than ever before'??

Red She Hulk does not exist - ANY MORE. Nor does WBH.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sweet, you deign to cross my blade once more. En garde! I shall climb once more into the Carvbuster. It is not as advanced as Bran's, being a shittier model, but it will do.

A: reboot, preboot, post - it does not matter. OP specifically said all are admissible.
B: Flash did not need any external events making him angrier, or faster. He just ran faster than before. In other words, he doesn't need to see Linda and unborn child killed by a bomb that he believes was planted by the JLA, only to find out it was actually planted by Kyle, then transported to a magical world where he can give in to this and run as fast as he can. No. He just runs.
C: You want to go toe to toe with me on stupid Flash feats vs WBH instances? Sure thing.
D: Even after all this - Betty was his equal. So no, he wouldn't be the strongest one there is, as World Breaker Betty would also be at this level.

Lol...Hulk went World Breaker twice without any incidents like you are referring too happening. One was with Skaar talking to him and another when he absorbed his power back and immediately went World Breaker against the Avengers and Fantastic four (but powered down). He had complete control of his power.

Wait, I know you're asking in your head right now if there is evidence of Banner showing control of World Breaker power and I'm pretty sure you seen this scene. Anyways; World Breaker revert from Hulk, back to Banner, and immediately turns into World Breaker...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094156/Incredible_Hulks_632_012.jpg.html

Looks like control to me. What about you Saint?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
At any time - really???

I might as well ask why did they painstakingly continually refer to him as being 'angrier than ever before'??

Red She Hulk does not exist - ANY MORE. Nor does WBH.

Hulk, after the events of HOTM, has shown several times to go WB just for the joy of it (or like carver said, without incident).

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Hulk went World Breaker twice without any incidents like you are referring too happening. One was with Skaar talking to him and another when he absorbed his power back and immediately went World Breaker against the Avengers and Fantastic four (but powered down). He had complete control of his power.

Wait, I know you're asking in your head right now if there is evidence of Banner showing control of World Breaker power and I'm pretty sure you seen this scene. Anyways; World Breaker revert from Hulk, back to Banner, and immediately turns into World Breaker...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094156/Incredible_Hulks_632_012.jpg.html

Looks like control to me. What about you Saint?

So it's all from the same storyline? Wooow. Hulk went WBH in the same storyline that he went WBH.

Outside of the storyline that Pak was doing (IOW, that one sweet year when you were hospitalised from dehydration due to over jizzing) WHEN has Hulk gone WBH? In the 60 or so years that he has been around?

Want me to go through the number of times Flash has outrun Death? Around three times. And not just in the span of a year, or under the same writer, either. He has also outrun himself, and his own shadow.

And that's just Wally, let alone Barry.

But as you're replying, let's see you answer this humdinger. Is Hulk strongest there is in the entire Marvel U? Over ANYONE ANYBODY will care to name in Marvel?

Originally posted by h1a8
WBH does exist. He's Hulk. They are the same being. That's like saying the flash who outraced death doesn't exist because he refuses to go that fast nowadays. You are arguing what flash can do at his highest potential but we can't argue what Hulk can do at his highest potential. Hulk has infinite different levels of strength. Which level do we argue if we can't argue the highest shown?

Not quite the same - Flash doesn't need to get angry to run. If he wants to , he can run that fast. Whereas Hulk NEEDS to get that angry - witness the number of times he is unable to Hulk out because he cannot get angry.

OK, we are using the highest shown version of Hulk. I agree, 100%. I never said I was only using Flash at his highest potential - I actually named and showed his feats. What he has actually done.

When he was shown, and when he did all those awesome feats....So did Betty.

OP never specified a time frame. Said they were all applicable. So if you are using Hulk from that time frame, I choose Betty from that timeframe.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So it's all from the same storyline? Wooow. Hulk went WBH in the same storyline that he went WBH.

Outside of the storyline that Pak was doing (IOW, that one sweet year when you were hospitalised from dehydration due to over jizzing) WHEN has Hulk gone WBH? In the 60 or so years that he has been around?

Want me to go through the number of times Flash has outrun Death? Around three times. And not just in the span of a year, or under the same writer, either. He has also outrun himself, and his own shadow.

And that's just Wally, let alone Barry.

But as you're replying, let's see you answer this humdinger. Is Hulk strongest there is in the entire Marvel U? Over ANYONE ANYBODY will care to name in Marvel?

Correction, BANNER went World Breaker with just a thought. Complete control. He reverted from Hulk to Banner, because he didn't want to take a footstep and destroy the eastern sea board, and reverted from Banner to World Breaker in a few panels.

Are you asking me if he went mad and had green energy leaking from him destroying everything BEFORE Pak? Lol...yes, it has happened before.

Green aura was melting human and disentrigating bullets. He was the same threat and he was on the hunt because they said his presence was going to destroy Earth.

If I show you a writer or two saying Hulk is the strongest being in the Universe, will that help?

Originally posted by carver9
If I show you a writer or two saying Hulk is the strongest being in the Universe, will that help?

Is Hulk the strongest being in the universe. In. Your. Opinion.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It's a yes or no question. Don't dance around it, actually commit.

Is Hulk the strongest being in the universe. In. Your. Opinion.

No and I don't think Flash is the fastest being in the universe either.

Originally posted by carver9
Correction, BANNER went World Breaker with just a thought. Complete control. He reverted from Hulk to Banner, because he didn't want to take a footstep and destroy the eastern sea board, and reverted from Banner to World Breaker in a few panels.

Are you asking me if he went mad and had green energy leaking from him destroying everything BEFORE Pak? Lol...yes, it has happened before.

If I show you a writer or two saying Hulk is the strongest being in the Universe, will that help?

Is Hulk the strongest one there is in Marvel?

Originally posted by carver9
No and I don't think Flash is the fastest being in the universe either.

That's not his rep, though.

His is 'the fastest man alive'.

Do you not know who the Flash is?

Originally posted by carver9
No and I don't think Flash is the fastest being in the universe either.

Odin, Celestials, Eternity?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's not his rep, though.

His is 'the fastest man alive'.

Do you not know who the Flash is?

But he isn't the fastest though and Zoom is faster even if his powers doesn't work like the Flash.

🙂

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Where does Hulk's "limit" reach?

Odin, Celestials, Eternity?

I don't know his strength levels. Has a cap been shown for him (I see what you are TRYING to do here as well and I'm mentally prepared for your next response)?

Originally posted by carver9
I don't know his strength levels. Has a cap been shown for him (I see what you are TRYING to do here as well and I'm mentally prepared for your next response)?

Stop playing retarded and answer the question. Do you think he is stronger than Odin, or Celestials, and Eternity? Do you think he is close but somewhat weaker?

I don't understand why you're making it difficult. It's a series of questions, I'm not trying to argue with you at the end of this, but your dodging is annoying.

Originally posted by carver9
But he isn't the fastest though and Zoom is faster even if his powers doesn't work like the Flash.

🙂

Hehe I had been waiting for someone to bring Zoom up.

Nope, Zoom isn't faster. He controls time.

You might as well say Nightcrawler has more speed than Northstar, because he can teleport and arrive somewhere faster than him.

Or that Dr Strange is faster, because he can time stop.

But then, we would have to go back to the OP. Please re read it. It asks who out of the two has done more to live up to their rep.

Asides from Zoom (which is, of course, super contentious as my examples above show), who else is a contender?

Whereas Hulk...well, if you are right, and there's a whole RACE of beings stronger than him, shows he's waaaaay below Flash in achieving his rep.

Assuming you're right, of course.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not quite the same - Flash doesn't need to get angry to run. If he wants to , he can run that fast. Whereas Hulk NEEDS to get that angry - witness the number of times he is unable to Hulk out because he cannot get angry.

OK, we are using the highest shown version of Hulk. I agree, 100%. I never said I was only using Flash at his highest potential - I actually named and showed his feats. What he has actually done.

When he was shown, and when he did all those awesome feats....So did Betty.

OP never specified a time frame. Said they were all applicable. So if you are using Hulk from that time frame, I choose Betty from that timeframe.

Originally posted by h1a8
But Hulk can go WB at any time without being angry. It was shown several times in the comics AFTER his big feat. He went 0 to WB real quick (Drake) with a smile on his face.

Drake?

He still had the anger within him left over from his betrayal. Since then, he has not shown ANYTHING close to when he was WBH.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hehe I had been waiting for someone to bring Zoom up.

Nope, Zoom isn't faster. He controls time.

You might as well say Nightcrawler has more speed than Northstar, because he can teleport and arrive somewhere faster than him.

Or that Dr Strange is faster, because he can time stop.

But then, we would have to go back to the OP. Please re read it. It asks who out of the two has done more to live up to their rep.

Asides from Zoom (which is, of course, super contentious as my examples above show), who else is a contender?

Whereas Hulk...well, if you are right, and there's a whole RACE of beings stronger than him, shows he's waaaaay below Flash in achieving his rep.

Assuming you're right, of course.

SO flash isn't faster than time (since Zoom obviously out reacts him)?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Drake?

He still had the anger within him left over from his betrayal. Since then, he has not shown ANYTHING close to when he was WBH.

Remember all the issues between WWH and the incident where Hulk became Green Scar once again and thunderclapped koed Rulk? Well in the issues before savage hulk), did Hulk forget that he can go Green Scar mode or he did it so that he can win easier and prove a point?

Drake the rapper as in "0 to 100" lol

Controlling time = controlling speed since time is part of speed.