Originally posted by h1a8
Controlling time = controlling speed since time is part of speed.
By that rationale, teleporters are also speedsters?
@carver:
Whu? Where in my post did I say Zoom stops Flash from moving?
You do know how his powers work, right? He moves at NORMAL speed, but in a different time frame to others. It has always been thus.
But again, OP: He is one man. How many beings are above Hulk in strength? Now go reread what this thread actually asks.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Where would his highest strength feat put him in response to Odin, or Celestials, and Eternity?Stop playing retarded and answer the question. Do you think he is stronger than Odin, or Celestials, and Eternity? Do you think he is close but somewhat weaker?
I don't understand why you're making it difficult. It's a series of questions, I'm not trying to argue with you at the end of this, but your dodging is annoying.
Let me put it like this. Odin can amp at a faster rate than Hulk but if Odin stayed constant, no amping, Hulk could surpass him (if that makes sense). If Zeus didn't beat the hell out of Hulk and they actually traded blows, I don't think Zeus would've been unaffecteded by Hulk and that was shown when Hulk punched him sending him flying through the area. A Celestial is too big to compare Hulk strength too so I am going to have to say no on that one and you posted a good scan of them not too long ago.
I am going to say this though (this has nothing to do with my stance on Hulk strength being comparable to a Celestial)...Thor himself has said Hulk could be the strongest being he's faced...
http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media-full/Vs%20Thor/Fight%205/3.jpg.html
Whatever writer this is had high thoughts of the Hulk. Then we have this...
Hulk being called one of the most powerful men in existence from Pak. Or it being outright said that Hulk power can match that of the Celestial race.
Pretty sure I don't have to post what Starlin recently wrote in his book about Hulk strength vs everything in the Universe or Thor girl writer saying Hulk is the strongest being in the Universe. That's why I told you that I was undecided and if we have a defined Cap on Hulks strength. If we base things off of train of thought, then of course I will say Odin is probably stronger but if we go by potential, knowing that Hulk doesn't have a Cap, then no one is stronger than him.
Hope that answered your question.
Originally posted by carver9Thank you for finally answering.
Let me put it like this. Odin can amp at a faster rate than Hulk but if Odin stayed constant, no amping, Hulk could surpass him (if that makes sense). If Zeus didn't beat the hell out of Hulk and they actually traded blows, I don't think Zeus would've been unaffecteded by Hulk and that was shown when Hulk punched him sending him flying through the area. A Celestial is too big to compare Hulk strength too so I am going to have to say no on that one and you posted a good scan of them not too long ago.I am going to say this though (this has nothing to do with my stance on Hulk strength being comparable to a Celestial)...Thor himself has said Hulk could be the strongest being he's faced...
http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media-full/Vs%20Thor/Fight%205/3.jpg.html
Whatever writer this is had high thoughts of the Hulk. Then we have this...
Hulk being called one of the most powerful men in existence from Pak. Or it being outright said that Hulk power can match that of the Celestial race.
Pretty sure I don't have to post what Starlin recently wrote in his book about Hulk strength vs everything in the Universe or Thor girl writer saying Hulk is the strongest being in the Universe. That's why I told you that I was undecided and if we have a defined Cap on Hulks strength. If we base things off of train of thought, then of course I will say Odin is probably stronger but if we go by potential, knowing that Hulk doesn't have a Cap, then no one is stronger than him.
Hope that answered your question.
Also lol at the picture for the second scan. Terrible art to dialogue there...
But anyway, you're saying Hulk isn't as strong as a Celestial. IE, he's weaker than an "infinite" number of beings. And that's just the Celestials themselves. You can add in quite a few more beings of that level to put them over Hulk as well.
Which means there are quite a few beings within the universe stronger than Hulk.
What we have of Flash, is Prof Zoom being comparable, and Death. If you count Zoom with his time manipulation, that's 4 ish beings if we separate Black Racer from Black Flash. And only Zoom is for sure faster than Flash, although he really isn't...
So you have a handful of rivals vs a whole race and other beings. It starts to make this look like a blowout in reputation, no?
You can't call yourself the strongest there is when there's possibly millions of beings stronger. However the claim to being the fastest man alive holds a lot more merit when there's not one for sure faster being than you. The mere fact that Hulk's strength is a question in the first place should answer this thread.
That's not a slight on Hulk's strength since we know it's impressive, it's just what it is. His claim does not work in a rep off with Flash. We have to take these claims as what they portray to prove their accuracy.
Which is what me and Dirksand are trying to tell you. It's not about proving Hulk is stronger than Earth, it's about proving he's stronger than everyone in the universe, multiverse, omniverse. Which, considering Odin has a better striking feat than Hulk has... it's a challenge to say the least. If Hulk is the strongest there is, then he's stronger than EVERYONE anyone can name. The logical conclusion to this is including Living Tribunal. 😬
Even just 616 there's a lot of names. Hell, Sentry with the Death Seed...
I don't even know why this is even still being debated. The best "feat" provided is one that we can't even quantify. "Hulk destroyed a machine" is what it boils down to. It doesn't matter what the machine was meant to destroy, unless it works via actually throwing said machine at someone and hoping it destroys them...it says nothing about the toughness of said machine.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Thank you for finally answering.Also lol at the picture for the second scan. Terrible art to dialogue there...
But anyway, you're saying Hulk isn't as strong as a Celestial. IE, he's weaker than an "infinite" number of beings. And that's just the Celestials themselves. You can add in quite a few more beings of that level to put them over Hulk as well.
Which means there are quite a few beings within the universe stronger than Hulk.
What we have of Flash, is Prof Zoom being comparable, and Death. If you count Zoom with his time manipulation, that's 4 ish beings if we separate Black Racer from Black Flash. And only Zoom is for sure faster than Flash, although he really isn't...
So you have a handful of rivals vs a whole race and other beings. It starts to make this look like a blowout in reputation, no?
You can't call yourself the strongest there is when there's possibly millions of beings stronger. However the claim to being the fastest man alive holds a lot more merit when there's not one for sure faster being than you. The mere fact that Hulk's strength is a question in the first place should answer this thread.
That's not a slight on Hulk's strength since we know it's impressive, it's just what it is. His claim does not work in a rep off with Flash. We have to take these claims as what they portray to prove their accuracy.
Which is what me and Dirksand are trying to tell you. It's not about proving Hulk is stronger than Earth, it's about proving he's stronger than everyone in the universe, multiverse, omniverse. Which, considering Odin has a better striking feat than Hulk has... it's a challenge to say the least. If Hulk is the strongest there is, then he's stronger than EVERYONE anyone can name. The logical conclusion to this is including Living Tribunal. 😬
Even just 616 there's a lot of names. Hell, Sentry with the Death Seed...
I already said the Celestials could be stronger than him (I might as well continue with this debate since it has already started) but what I am also saying is, I think Marvel has acknowledge Hulk as the strongest in said Universe and a lot of evidence points towards this. That's if you look at everything as a whole.
An example of this would be Hulks power being compared to the Celestials (not one but all) themselves...
And this was said by someone who works closely with the Celestials (let me know if i need to post his entire history with the Celestials).
http://s2.photobucket.com/user/Nightmareman95/media-full/NM95/nxm97pg04.jpg.html
This is where we go back to potential. From what we've seen so far, Hulk has been compared not only to one lone Celestial but many. We have Thor under the same breath who has fought against the Celestial themselves telling us that Hulk strength is Devine. Is above anyone's he's faced. I'm not even including fts here because that's meaningless.
Here is Hulk overpowering Cyttorak enchantment and as shown, Cyttorak had enough power to control a portion of the Phoenix Force and bend the stars themselves with a portion of his power. Here is Hulk overpowering the enchantment...
Before someone throw out there that Hulk was amped...he wasn't. Read Apocalypse words. The Celestial armor gave Hulk control over his own power. Let's continue please...
Reed Richards has measured power from Nova Prime all the way to the Celestials but he was unable to read Hulks powers levels. His power was off REEDS chart...
Wonder if Reed can measure Flash speed?
SHIELD tells us Hulk is at a power level they've never seen...
Beyonder himself...a being mightier than all in MU was in shock of Hulk's power. It's limitless...
Strange who at the time was able to even defend himself against Dormammu shields/mystic barrier crumbles against the most powerful creature on the planet...
Right now I'm just posting fts that I'm sure you are aware of. The point I'm making is, when it comes to comparison of strength, Hulk has not been matched and we have as of yet to see a ft he failed at. I also asked you a question that you seem to be avoiding. Has there been a cap shown on Hulk's strength? Evidence would end this debate. You can scream to me how fast you think Flash is but there has as of yet to be a known limit to Hulks strength. Also, Flash isn't faster than all abstracts. Flash had to borrow speed from every being on the planet to match a teleporter. Don't think an abstract would have that problem.
Originally posted by carver9This coming from a guy that spends most of his time getting ghosted by Bran and Galan while acting arrogant. Not to mention the blatant lies you have been caught in plus the many times you have baited people you have never debated you struggle to make sense 90% of the time you stink more than the deuce i just dropped 😆
You whine more than my baby niece. Do you even debate anymore?
Originally posted by iceman24567
This coming from a guy that spends most of his time getting ghosted by Bran and Galan while acting arrogant. Not to mention the blatant lies you have been caught in plus the many times you have baited people you have never debated you struggle to make sense 90% of the time you stink more than the deuce i just dropped 😆
What lies? Point them out. At least debate on a forum that requires you to debate. That's all you do is go in threads calling everyone trolls and cheerleading. Look at all my post and see what I am attempting or doing. Now go back and look at your posts and do a comparison. Moral; add something to these threads other than what you are doing.
Originally posted by Surtur
You brought up how Reed could read the Celestials power, but not Hulks. You basically said Hulk>>>Celestials. Have you gone insane? You legitimately feel Hulk is some high end cosmic.. Is the guy who created Hulk like your grandpa or something?
Read what this thread is about. This has nothing to do with what I think, I'm basing this off of what Marvel thinks and what writers are putting in their stories about this character. Grasp the concept of this thread.
Originally posted by carver9Point them out? You are known as a liar among other things hell even a mod PR has caught you lying 😬. This is a VS forum debating has always been secondary many people go into threads vote who they think wins and vanish nothing wrong with that. What you attempt to do is champion your favorite characters in a obvious bias fashion which gets old real fast. If we do a comparison of the times i do debate its above and beyond anything you have done. Moral stop being a lying arrogant schmuck and get back on topic 👆
What lies? Point them out. At least debate on a forum that requires you to debate. That's all you do is go in threads calling everyone trolls and cheerleading. Look at all my post and see what I am attempting or doing. Now go back and look at your posts and do a comparison. Moral; add something to these threads other than what you are doing.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Point them out? You are known as a liar among other things hell even a mod PR has caught you lying 😬. This is a VS forum debating has always been secondary many people go into threads vote who they think wins and vanish nothing wrong with that. What you attempt to do is champion your favorite characters in a obvious bias fashion which gets old real fast. If we do a comparison of the times i do debate its above and beyond anything you have done. Moral stop being a lying arrogant schmuck and get back on topic 👆
I guess you couldn't point it out and I guess you really didn't prove anything. Good to see you on.
Originally posted by carver9
Read what this thread is about. This has nothing to do with what I think, I'm basing this off of what Marvel thinks and what writers are putting in their stories about this character. Grasp the concept of this thread.
Take your own advice, grasp the concept of the thread. This is not about what Marvel thinks. This is about who in their universe lives up to their respective tag lines. The only way to determine that is feats, not what Marvel thinks.
Especially since if Marvel thinks Hulk>>Celestials then they have lost their minds and are not to be taken seriously.
