Originally posted by SurturRight, so you need to use his highest end feats in order to say he wins? Alrighty. We can ignore all the variety of lesser feats because hey he knocked around C-lister Equus.
Right, so you need to use his low end feats in order to say he loses? Alrighty. We can ignore all the variety of impressive feats because hey he sparred with Batman.
How do you spell irony on the internet?
Originally posted by ODG
Right, so you need to use his highest end feats in order to say he wins? Alrighty. We can ignore all the variety of lesser feats because hey he knocked around C-lister Equus.How do you spell irony on the internet?
But he consistently does crazy crap like the stuff I mentioned, is the entire problem you don't seem to get. To suggest because he spars with Batman has..any effect on this fight is silly.
If someone posted Karate Kid vs Batman right now, what would you say your response would be?
Originally posted by SurturIf you just ignore that massive amounts of his history was retconned and try to blend in three different incarnations' worth of feats into a single character because, y'know, you'd rather argue about an imaginary theory version of the character instead of the actual one.
But he consistently does crazy crap like the stuff I mentioned
Originally posted by SurturBecause you're only referring to two feats while ignoring his other feats that you don't like, just because and pretend that he has this vast history that you pretend you can amalgamate from other alternate versions of him.
So we don't count high end consistent feats
Instead of taking him as a whole, on his own, without trying to ignore continuity and consistency and common sense.
The three C's that people here on KMC try to ignore when arguing blindly about their chosen character.
Originally posted by ODG
Because you're only referring to two feats while ignoring his other feats that you don't like, just because and pretend that he has this vast history that you pretend you can amalgamate from other alternate versions of him.Instead of taking him as a whole, on his own, without trying to ignore continuity and consistency and common sense.
The three C's that people here on KMC try to ignore when arguing blindly about their chosen character.
We are talking about common sense in a thread where people are bringing up "he loses because he sparred Batman"?
Originally posted by Surtur
The crisis apparently didn't effect the Legion or some shit, but you really don't need his pre crisis feats for him to win this, so it's moot. Non pre crisis Val still did the "beat down guy Supergirl has trouble with while sick" and "dodge speed force infused lightning" and all that. He still wins.I'm sure there are versions out there he could beat. Legion of Super heroes cartoon? Herc totally beats that version of Karate Kid. Recent animated film with Karate Kid and someone else fighting Time Trapper? Herc totally wins that too. Karate Kid as in..Daniel-San? Big win for Herc.
A UFC ring doesn't nullify his speed. He still moves too fast to get hit, and can hit Herc before he does anything. Why would the ring stop this? He doesn't need a huge open field to dodge Herc. He could just stand in place and dodge every punch thrown.
Also, Val could obliterate the ground as well. But this is supposed to be hand to hand fight, which is why I didn't bring that up. I assumed they'd actually be engaging each other..hand to hand. If the only course of action for Herc is "destroy the ring and then thunderclap" it shows why he probably shouldn't be up against a guy like Val in h2h if the strategy is "don't ever ever let him get anywhere near you".
well, tbh, the whole 'he went up against someone who gave supergirl trouble' argument isn't doing much to convince me. which bricks has he defeated? his speed would be nullified if he were blind and choking on the battlefield--something that wouldn't be able to happen in an open area. and if herc discovered he wasn't able to hit him, those are the sorts of tactics he would absolutely undertake. what's he supposed to do--stand there is get hit?
and wasn't there a fight somewhere where supergirl told val he could kick her a 1000 times or something and she'd never feel it? anyway, i'd love to see some scans of val beating down someone of herc's level of strength and durability. something not pre-crisis would be cool to see.
About the argument of high-end vs low-end: let's ask ourselves what happens when Flash faces the Antimonitor compared to what happens when he faces a normal Rogue. Similarly, Hulk versus everybody as opposed to Hulk versus Daredevil. Based on what you've read from both sides into account, what would the imagined scenario be if Karate Kid faced off against Hercules in a comic? Remember now, this isn't about just power/skill-set vs power/skill-set. If that were the case, we'd always ignore lower-end feats, ha ha.
If this were to happen in a comic, Hercules, though a fun character, doesn't demand the seriousness of being portrayed at highest ability (unless it's a story in which he boasts about himself, in which case he goes beyond his power-set). On the other hand, Karated Kid, in multiple versions, has signature moments vs the top-elite class.
If these two were to ever meet in comic-context, what would happen? I'd say Hercules would be quite surprised when Karate Kids pulls out telepathicjitsu that he learned from a space octopus.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Val damn near soloed Fatal Five. Are we talking about Hercules being above someone like Validus?😬
His fight with Batman happened when he was dying with Morticoccous virus. If we're taking the latest Karate Kid which was pre crisis Val, he would beat the shit out of Hercules.
Yep. Val wasn't a 100% at the time and still managed to grab his utility belt. Bad ass.
Originally posted by leonidas
well, tbh, the whole 'he went up against someone who gave supergirl trouble' argument isn't doing much to convince me. which bricks has he defeated? his speed would be nullified if he were blind and choking on the battlefield--something that wouldn't be able to happen in an open area. and if herc discovered he wasn't able to hit him, those are the sorts of tactics he would absolutely undertake. what's he supposed to do--stand there is get hit?and wasn't there a fight somewhere where supergirl told val he could kick her a 1000 times or something and she'd never feel it? anyway, i'd love to see some scans of val beating down someone of herc's level of strength and durability. something not pre-crisis would be cool to see.
During that time when he faced Kara, he was dying of the Morticoccous virus.