Darth Vader vs. Voldemort.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Fair enough.

There is a good chance that the pain will stun him (like it did a seasoned combatant like Obi). Also, oce Voldy (most likely) attempt the AK (which Vader can deflect), Vader will no doubt take away his wand. The only way for your scenario to work is if 1) Voldy is able to fight thru the pain and shoot a bolt before getting KO'd/stunned long enough to be finished off. 2) Vader doesn't take away his wand after getting shot at by it. Possible, but in a 10/10 scenario, I'd say maybe 1 in 10 chance at best.

I will also express my doubts about that the little green blobs he used to destroy the Fang is AK as Harry was blocking similar bolts at the start. I'm not the Potterverse expert but AK is unblockable by Protego isn't it?

I like how we can have a civilized discussion unlike Quan over here, who tries to get aggressive but ends up being stupid.

Yes I can agree that it will stun, however I must ask, what absolutely stops someon from reacting when they use force choke. Ventress was able to talk while she was being forced choked by savage. Dooku could have used force lightning when savage was choking him. What stops someone from reacting when being choked, it does stop the whole body just chokes the neck. The argument that is being brought is that his hand, or suit wouldn't be affected by avada kedavra. Avada kedavra has successfully, vaporized, and broke the through stone objects so the notion that vaders hand will block it is speculatory, as we don't truly know how AK will work against vader. Also why are we just assuming he will use AK. This is where his versatility comes into affect. Now, I have theory, of Voldmelrt uses avada kedavra in the string form and it hits vader(highly doubtful) it will react in a similar fashion to Sidious lightning and basically shorten his circuits, or hit the part of his body that is still organic(his head).

Well, it's green like AK and also looking at the situation voldmeort was trying to kill Harry so he undoubted would most likely be using AK.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1)not clothing the person. No, it isn't. If you think a magical attack designed to kill is the same as an energy blast then you aren't familiar with magic.

2) play on player.

3) if it's connected to the person he dies as in clothing, etc., if you feel it wouldn't kill him provide proof.

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1. Robot hand is not clothing. Robot hand is nonliving. Robot hand can block. You need to provide proof that AK can kill thru a blocking item like a robot hand for as long as there is contact between target and item. While all I need to do is provide an instance where AK has been stopped by nonliving matter.

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3. Proof?

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Ignore Quan he's an idiot who has no logic.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Ignore Quan he's an idiot who has no logic.

we all know that

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I like how we can have a civilized discussion unlike Quan over here, who tries to get aggressive but ends up being stupid.

Yes I can agree that it will stun, however I must ask, what absolutely stops someon from reacting when they use force choke. Ventress was able to talk while she was being forced choked by savage. Dooku could have used force lightning when savage was choking him. What stops someone from reacting when being choked, it does stop the whole body just chokes the neck. The argument that is being brought is that his hand, or suit wouldn't be affected by avada kedavra. Avada kedavra has successfully, vaporized, and broke the through stone objects so the notion that vaders hand will block it is speculatory, as we don't truly know how AK will work against vader. Also why are we just assuming he will use AK. This is where his versatility comes into affect. Now, I have theory, of Voldmelrt uses avada kedavra in the string form and it hits vader(highly doubtful) it will react in a similar fashion to Sidious lightning and basically shorten his circuits, or hit the part of his body that is still organic(his head).

Well, it's green like AK and also looking at the situation voldmeort was trying to kill Harry so he undoubted would most likely be using AK.

Well, civilized debate is the best kind, IMO. 🙂

Sudden unexpected force to one's throat and neck cause ppl to either be paralyzed from the pain or panic all the time. Even seasoned combatants or trained individuals (even seasoned scuba divers for example can die from suddenly losing their air mask if they panic underwater). Stone isn't durasteel (w/c blasters can melt). AK has been stopped by nonliving objects. Vader has tanked blaster shots easily with his robot hand. While I agree this isn't 100% proof. You also need to provide proof that AK can bypass the robot hand. And then it comes down to who can provide the better argument with the proof provided. We are not assuming that he can only use AK, we are asserting that he will no doubt use the spell he uses most of the time. That's a theory (edit. this is in reply to the "stream" AK argument), but it's just that. We need to provide proof that AK has the same effects as lightning vs electronics, else we can just throw around theories all day (like me asserting that Vader can just draw the AK spell into his light saber, which is actually far more likely than the AK shorting out his circuits).

Could have been an unamed acid spell or somesuch. AK really shouldn't be blockable by Protego.

there is a high chance that the saber can infact block or destroy the AK. as the lightsaber is just energy kept within a field i seriously doubt the energy or Magic of the AK can be conducted down the energy field without being overpowered or destroyed right out.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, civilized debate is the best kind, IMO. 🙂

Sudden unexpected force to one's throat and neck cause ppl to either be paralyzed from the pain or panic all the time. Even seasoned combatants or trained individuals (even seasoned scuba divers for example can die from suddenly losing their air mask if they panic underwater). Stone isn't durasteel (w/c blasters can melt). AK has been stopped by nonliving objects. Vader has tanked blaster shots easily with his robot hand. While I agree this isn't 100% proof. You also need to provide proof that AK can bypass the robot hand. And then it comes down to who can provide the better argument with the proof provided. We are not assuming that he can only use AK, we are asserting that he will no doubt use the spell he uses most of the time. That's a theory (edit. this is in reply to the "stream" AK argument), but it's just that. We need to provide proof that AK has the same effects as lightning vs electronics, else we can just throw around theories all day (like me asserting that Vader can just draw the AK spell into his light saber, which is actually far more likely than the AK shorting out his circuits).

Could have been an unamed acid spell or somesuch. AK really shouldn't be blockable by Protego.

Yes they are my for end. 🙂

So all of a sudden if I choke someone they can't use any other part of their body to kick me or use their hands to slap me or anything. You can move, why Jedi and SITH don't is beyond me. Like i said I'm trying to give you a basis that AK can break through certain materials. I will tell you this though. A reducto Cham used by Ginny weakest was able to destroy a death eater and then bring down an entire room. Again taking the blasters, I have a strong belief that he used tutaminis, and that I believe magic from HP is a little bit to complicated to understand with this. Yes it is and I was asking for your thoughts on the matter. Well as it reacted in a sort of lighting type fashion, and had lighting like tendrils, and also if it attacks in the stream why wouldn't it go with the current of his circuits and then eventually go to his head, what would stop that.

Well I'm not the director anything. I really do wish I had the answer but I don't. All I know is the only other spell we have seen that is green is avada kedavra, and the circumstances of the situation were avada kedavra worthy.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yes they are my for end. 🙂

So all of a sudden if I choke someone they can't use any other part of their body to kick me or use their hands to slap me or anything. You can move, why Jedi and SITH don't is beyond me. Like i said I'm trying to give you a basis that AK can break through certain materials. I will tell you this though. A reducto Cham used by Ginny weakest was able to destroy a death eater and then bring down an entire room. Again taking the blasters, I have a strong belief that he used tutaminis, and that I believe magic from HP is a little bit to complicated to understand with this. Yes it is and I was asking for your thoughts on the matter. Well as it reacted in a sort of lighting type fashion, and had lighting like tendrils, and also if it attacks in the stream why wouldn't it go with the current of his circuits and then eventually go to his head, what would stop that.

Well I'm not the director anything. I really do wish I had the answer but I don't. All I know is the only other spell we have seen that is green is avada kedavra, and the circumstances of the situation were avada kedavra worthy.

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Well, it's not a given. Just a likely scenario. If you (or most anyone) are suddenly cut off from oxygen just as you inhale (and, for this scenario it is sudden, unexpected AND from an unknown source), your body's natural reaction would be to try to draw breath and to remove the natural source of the blockage from your throat (hence why ppl grasp at their throat when they get choked by something). You would have to be be 1) expecting it 2) know where it's coming from in order to react in a properly or at least be given a few seconds to react properly outside this natural reaction (such as suddenly shooting at someone when you are suddenly gasping for air). Else you are likely to panic (natural body reaction) or even pass out before you can do anything about it. This is why a lot of ppl who can swim drown. They get panicked and swallow water, etc. Also, seconds that Vader can use to his advantage. One can even argue that it is also likely that Voldy drop his wand when suddenly faced with a choke (not likely, but possible).

Reductor IS used to blast inanimate objects/obstacles to pieces, so that would explain Ginny destroying a room with it. But I don't remember the Death Eater getting destroyed. Vids please? I'm not really sure you can use force absorb with a robot hand as it is not part of your body....

Streaming-type animation isn't sufficient to equate AK to lightning-like behavior. And certainly not enough to assert that it would short out his circuitry the way lightning would. Again, there is little/no proof of this.

Again, it lacked a very important quality that would have made it AK. Could have been an acid splash spell or somesuch.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
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Well, it's not a given. Just a likely scenario. If you (or most anyone) are suddenly cut off from oxygen just as you inhale (and, for this scenario it is sudden, unexpected AND from an unknown source), your body's natural reaction would be to try to draw breath and to remove the natural source of the blockage from your throat (hence why ppl grasp at their throat when they get choked by something). You would have to be be 1) expecting it 2) know where it's coming from in order to react in a properly or at least be given a few seconds to react properly outside this natural reaction (such as suddenly shooting at someone when you are suddenly gasping for air). Else you are likely to panic (natural body reaction) or even pass out before you can do anything about it. This is why a lot of ppl who can swim drown. They get panicked and swallow water, etc. Also, seconds that Vader can use to his advantage. One can even argue that it is also likely that Voldy drop his wand when suddenly faced with a choke (not likely, but possible).

Reductor IS used to blast inanimate objects/obstacles to pieces, so that would explain Ginny destroying a room with it. But I don't remember the Death Eater getting destroyed. Vids please? I'm not really sure you can use force absorb with a robot hand as it is not part of your body....

Streaming-type animation isn't sufficient to equate AK to lightning-like behavior. And certainly not enough to assert that it would short out his circuitry the way lightning would. Again, there is little/no proof of this.

Again, it lacked a very important quality that would have made it AK. Could have been an acid splash spell or somesuch.

Well I understand, however ventress was able to talk while she was being choked by savage. So yes I know understand your position however choke doesn't keep your hands still so with that voldemort could still use his variety of spells to attack vader. Well the body's normal reaction if under siege is to grasp tightly to something in this case Voldmelrts wand. Only when the life is out of you then do you release your grasp.

https://youtu.be/LkAF6lT_tyc 9:19

Understandable

That quality is exactly? It's green, and it fits the circumstances.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1. Robot hand is not clothing. Robot hand is nonliving. Robot hand can block. You need to provide proof that AK can kill thru a blocking item like a robot hand for as long as there is contact between target and item. While all I need to do is provide an instance where AK has been stopped by nonliving matter.

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3. Proof?

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3. You conceded the reflexes now you want to argue ? Which is it ?

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Originally posted by quanchi112
It is a Nonliving thing attached to the human. Same principle. If you want to prove why it's different then do so. Clothes aren't living either. Not attached to the being is the key point.

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3. You conceded the reflexes now you want to argue ? Which is it ?

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1. Sooo, you want me to provide proof why robot hands and clothing are different? Clothing does not stop AK nor does it stop blaster shots. Robot hands stops blaster shots and has the same qualities as items that stop AK (nonliving objects). Proof provided! Yay! That was easy.

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Originally posted by The Merchant
Blaster Bolts aren't slow, they're as fast as the AK and are as fast as bullets. Look up tracer rounds, they are as fast as the Blaster Bolts we see in the films. Blaster Bolts have also shown to cross extremely large distances like in Attack of the Clones. So Vader's reaction speed is faster than Voldemort's, meaning he could apply a force attack on Voldy before Voldy does anything.

Blaster bolts aren't as fast as you are making them out to be. Not to the point where if you block one you are automatically faster then someone. We didn't even see Vader EVER block multiple shots fired, just a single one. I can totally lift my hand up too in time to get hit by the bolt.

Also I don't see how Vader could deflect the AK. It can't be deflected, there was no magic to stop it, and they have various magical shields, etc. So why would a lightsaber deflect it? That makes no sense.

What do you mean? If you play the scene where Han Solo shoots at Vader frame by frame you get the bolts going at 22 mph. In Attack of the Clones we see Blaster Bolts travel the diameter of the core ships which are about 690 meters in diameter in 20 centiseconds which is 7717.4302 mph. Vader blocked 5 bolts btw not just one.

A Lightsaber could deflect it, the AK gets stopped by normal Rock and its destructive properties were much lower than a Blaster Bolt. Why wouldn't it make sense for it to be deflected? It's essentially energy, magical energy but energy nonetheless.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well I understand, however ventress was able to talk while she was being choked by savage. So yes I know understand your position however choke doesn't keep your hands still so with that voldemort could still use his variety of spells to attack vader. Well the body's normal reaction if under siege is to grasp tightly to something in this case Voldmelrts wand. Only when the life is out of you then do you release your grasp.

https://youtu.be/LkAF6lT_tyc 9:19

Understandable

That quality is exactly? It's green, and it fits the circumstances.

There are levels of force choke, of course. The one Savage did looked like it wasn't strong or tight enough to cut off her breathing completely. Notice how they clutched at their throats tho? Basic natural response to choking.

I strongly disagree. While "bracing" (for lack of a better word... or the grasping tightly as you say) is done when one is trying to struggle thru pain, when one is choking/being choked, the basic natural body response is ALWAYS to try to remove the source of the choking the way the body recognizes it (not the mind). Thus grasping at one's throat is the most probable first response. Most will drop what they are holding to do this, not clutch it harder. Not saying this is the only likely response from Voldy. I would say at best a 1 in 10 chance at best given due to his willpower/experience/training. But it is still possible and chalks up an easy win on the side of Vader.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
There are levels of force choke, of course. The one Savage did looked like it wasn't strong or tight enough to cut off her breathing completely. Notice how they clutched at their throats tho? Basic natural response to choking.

I strongly disagree. While "bracing" (for lack of a better word... or the grasping tightly as you say) is done when one is trying to struggle thru pain, when one is choking/being choked, the basic natural body response is ALWAYS to try to remove the source of the choking the way the body recognizes it (not the mind). Thus grasping at one's throat is the most probable first response. Most will drop what they are holding to do this, not clutch it harder. Not saying this is the only likely response from Voldy. I would say at best a 1 in 10 chance at best given due to his willpower/experience/training. But it is still possible and chalks up an easy win on the side of Vader.

While that is true vader has used choke on others and it didn't kill instantly, it left time for if it were in this battle he voldemort could use AK and if that didn't work he could use a transfiguration spell.

Yes you will try and remove the source of strangulation. If the body is under attack it will most likely tense up this,bracing the object in their hands and also this is Voldmelrts wand something he knows he needs so he isn't going to just drop it by himself, you have to take it form him. I'd give the winner of this battle a 5-6/10 win.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Blaster Bolts aren't slow, they're as fast as the AK and are as fast as bullets. Look up tracer rounds, they are as fast as the Blaster Bolts we see in the films. Blaster Bolts have also shown to cross extremely large distances like in Attack of the Clones. So Vader's reaction speed is faster than Voldemort's, meaning he could apply a force attack on Voldy before Voldy does anything.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
While that is true vader has used choke on others and it didn't kill instantly, it left time for if it were in this battle he voldemort could use AK and if that didn't work he could use a transfiguration spell.

Yes you will try and remove the source of strangulation. If the body is under attack it will most likely tense up this,bracing the object in their hands and also this is Voldmelrts wand something he knows he needs so he isn't going to just drop it by himself, you have to take it form him. I'd give the winner of this battle a 5-6/10 win.

It doesn't kill instantly, it stuns you or forces you into a vulnerable position.

Even if Voldy gets lucky enough to keep his wits about him, Vader can just pull the wand away the second he fumbles around (likely reaction when you're being chokes suddenly) as he struggles to aim it and even if he manages to get a shot out, he won't have time for both. The second Voldy fires an AK and it misses/gets deflected, Vader crushes his neck or simply walks over and stabs him (they are 10 feet apart man) or simply force pull to takes away his wand.

Too many obstacles for Voldy to overcome to give him a win here.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It doesn't kill instantly, it stuns you or forces you into a vulnerable position.

Even if Voldy gets lucky enough to keep his wits about him, Vader can just pull the wand away the second he fumbles around (likely reaction when you're being chokes suddenly) as he struggles to aim it and even if he manages to get a shot out, he won't have time for both. The second Voldy fires an AK and it misses/gets deflected, Vader crushes his neck or simply walks over and stabs him (they are 10 feet apart man) or simply force pull to takes away his wand.

Too many obstacles for Voldy to overcome to give him a win here.

Again doesn't remove your hands especially when Voldmelrt isn't out yet and kill still shoot some spells at Voldmelrt.

What if it's the AK used in Deathly Hallows or the (acid spell that you think it could be) and vader block it with his hand or any other destructive spell, and vader attempts to block it with his hands that hand is gone and thus his concentration giving Voldmelrt time to recover and possibly shoot out an AK and seeing that it doesn't work a transfiguration or a dark spell.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again doesn't remove your hands especially when Voldmelrt isn't out yet and kill still shoot some spells at Voldmelrt.

What if it's the AK used in Deathly Hallows or the (acid spell that you think it could be) and vader block it with his hand or any other destructive spell, and vader attempts to block it with his hands that hand is gone and thus his concentration giving Voldmelrt time to recover and possibly shoot out an AK and seeing that it doesn't work a transfiguration or a dark spell.

And again, your entire argument is based on assuming that Voldy reacts the best possible way ignoring the fact that force chokes have rendered even seasoned combatants (who are trained to expect it somewhat) helpless. While this is indeed possible it is not likely. In a in-10 scenario, I wouldn't give this past a 1 in 10.

1) Vader can take away his wand even before he can fire his first shot. Not a 100% possibility, but a bit more likely than Voldy getting off a shot while choking 2) Voldy can drop his wand from the sheer shock of the choke (not likely but I would give it equal chances as Voldy getting off a shot, around a 1 in 10) 3) Voldy can pass out before he can even fire off a shot (also a 1 in 10 IMO). 4) In the unlikely scenario that Voldy DOES get to fire off a shot, you would need to provide evidence that the AK FAR exceeds what a blaster can do in terms of destructive force. Not match. FAR exceed. As Vader's robot hand nonchalantly deflected multiple shots.

This is what Han's blaster is capable of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC8hwysZFd4

Watch 0:11 to 0:44

Originally posted by The Merchant
What do you mean? If you play the scene where Han Solo shoots at Vader frame by frame you get the bolts going at 22 mph. In Attack of the Clones we see Blaster Bolts travel the diameter of the core ships which are about 690 meters in diameter in 20 centiseconds which is 7717.4302 mph. Vader blocked 5 bolts btw not just one.

A Lightsaber could deflect it, the AK gets stopped by normal Rock and its destructive properties were much lower than a Blaster Bolt. Why wouldn't it make sense for it to be deflected? It's essentially energy, magical energy but energy nonetheless.

Destructive properties much lower then a blaster bolt? A single AK was damaging solid stone walls. You are telling me you think a SINGLE blaster shot would do that?