Darth Vader vs. Voldemort.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
And again, your entire argument is based on assuming that Voldy reacts the best possible way ignoring the fact that force chokes have rendered even seasoned combatants (who are trained to expect it somewhat) helpless. While this is indeed [b]possible it is not likely. In a in-10 scenario, I wouldn't give this past a 1 in 10.

1) Vader can take away his wand even before he can fire his first shot. Not a 100% possibility, but a bit more likely than Voldy getting off a shot while choking 2) Voldy can drop his wand from the sheer shock of the choke (not likely but I would give it equal chances as Voldy getting off a shot, around a 1 in 10) 3) Voldy can pass out before he can even fire off a shot (also a 1 in 10 IMO). 4) In the unlikely scenario that Voldy DOES get to fire off a shot, you would need to provide evidence that the AK FAR exceeds what a blaster can do in terms of destructive force. Not match. FAR exceed. As Vader's robot hand nonchalantly deflected multiple shots.

This is what Han's blaster is capable of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC8hwysZFd4

Watch 0:11 to 0:44 [/B]

Again, if you choke me by yourself, that doesn't mean my hands or feet are frozen. I still have four free limbs that i can either kick you slap/punch you or pull a weapon on you to make you go away which is this case here. Voldmelrt gets choked and then Voldmelrt can just shoot out a spell at Voldmelrt. I suggest you watch Darth vader vs Lord voldemort, however there are a few things in that video I'm not sure about but there it is. There Voldmelrt is also being choked but breaks free. So yes it's more than a 1/10 chance of him breaking free.

1. Yes he can before he even fires a shot but what's the point at that time for vader. He doesn't understand Voldmelrts wand. The same can easily be said that if vader pulls out lightsaber he could easily disarm him of it or better yet destroy it.

2. Ok I also doubt he would drop his wand as from my knowledge I cant remember if anyone else dropped their lightsaber or anything from the shock of a force choke.

3. Yes I would believe it is a 1/10 chance as well. However to most of these I must interject that this is also Voldmelrts versatility meaning he has more than just the unforgivable curses, as well as all of the dark arts and almost every other spell as well also he could also use some of those spells as distractions. He can also break through some pretty solid stone, I believe that when wizards use spells they use it according to their specific needs as well as their level of powers. For instance hermione has used similar spells on different objects. She used bombarda in prisoner of azkaban to break stone if not iron bars and then when she uses a. Similar spell in deathly Hallows she breaks an iron or steel chain. You see. I believe that spells are tailored to that specific moment by the user at times. This also shows that wizards have accuracy and precision and control as hermione is able to use a spell on a small area with no problem. Also Voldmelrt was able to constantly use avada kedavra on Harry several times always hitting him not once going off track and even just sparadically shooting spells out, not showing any form of aiming.

4. Again vader blocking a blaster IMO has two different answer to it. The first is that his suit was made to resist blaster bolts. The second and more likely is that he used tutaminis to absorb them as tutaminis is used to absorb or redirect lightsbaers, lightning, and blaster bolts. While that is impressive I don't believe he could do the same with magic as say he used reducto. The spell is meant to destroy on touch so I'm not sure how his tutaminis would help with that spell. Like wise if voldmeort used avada kedavra in blast form I'm not sure how yoda could handle that with tutaminis.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again, if you choke me by yourself, that doesn't mean my hands or feet are frozen. I still have four free limbs that i can either kick you slap/punch you or pull a weapon on you to make you go away which is this case here. Voldmelrt gets choked and then Voldmelrt can just shoot out a spell at Voldmelrt. I suggest you watch Darth vader vs Lord voldemort, however there are a few things in that video I'm not sure about but there it is. There Voldmelrt is also being choked but breaks free. So yes it's more than a 1/10 chance of him breaking free.

1. Yes he can before he even fires a shot but what's the point at that time for vader. He doesn't understand Voldmelrts wand. The same can easily be said that if vader pulls out lightsaber he could easily disarm him of it or better yet destroy it.

2. Ok I also doubt he would drop his wand as from my knowledge I cant remember if anyone else dropped their lightsaber or anything from the shock of a force choke.

3. Yes I would believe it is a 1/10 chance as well. However to most of these I must interject that this is also Voldmelrts versatility meaning he has more than just the unforgivable curses, as well as all of the dark arts and almost every other spell as well also he could also use some of those spells as distractions. He can also break through some pretty solid stone, I believe that when wizards use spells they use it according to their specific needs as well as their level of powers. For instance hermione has used similar spells on different objects. She used bombarda in prisoner of azkaban to break stone if not iron bars and then when she uses a. Similar spell in deathly Hallows she breaks an iron or steel chain. You see. I believe that spells are tailored to that specific moment by the user at times. This also shows that wizards have accuracy and precision and control as hermione is able to use a spell on a small area with no problem. Also Voldmelrt was able to constantly use avada kedavra on Harry several times always hitting him not once going off track and even just sparadically shooting spells out, not showing any form of aiming.

4. Again vader blocking a blaster IMO has two different answer to it. The first is that his suit was made to resist blaster bolts. The second and more likely is that he used tutaminis to absorb them as tutaminis is used to absorb or redirect lightsbaers, lightning, and blaster bolts. While that is impressive I don't believe he could do the same with magic as say he used reducto. The spell is meant to destroy on touch so I'm not sure how his tutaminis would help with that spell. Like wise if voldmeort used avada kedavra in blast form I'm not sure how yoda could handle that with tutaminis.

1. If someone is lifting an unknown object and is starting to aim it at you, you'd be stupid not to take it away if you can. Common sense man.

2. I don't need to prove that ppl drop lightsabers in order to prove that ppl being choked drop objects they are holding onto (even when being tossed after a force choke, Obi still held onto his saber til he got KO'd. This only proves how difficult it is to disarm a jedi, it does not prove that ppl don't drop things when being choked). Again, common sense. This is like me asking for proof of Voldy being able to cast a spell while being choked. None exist but common sense argument would point that there is a chance of such happening.

3. Versatility is meaningless if you don't get to use it. First you need to argue a scenario wherein he would have both the time and inclination to use his versatility before even arguing about it.

4. You will need to prove that he was using force absorb. You will also need to prove that force absorb can be used THROUGH a machine prosthesis, as he was not actually using his hand at the time. You have a theory, no proof. Til then, the robot hand absorbed the impact of the blaster shots.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1. If someone is lifting an unknown object and is starting to aim it at you, you'd be stupid not to take it away if you can. Common sense man.

2. I don't need to prove that ppl drop lightsabers in order to prove that ppl being choked drop objects they are holding onto (even when being tossed after a force choke, Obi still held onto his saber til he got KO'd. This only proves how difficult it is to disarm a jedi, it does not prove that ppl don't drop things when being choked). Again, common sense. This is like me asking for proof of Voldy being able to cast a spell while being choked. None exist but common sense argument would point that there is a chance of such happening.

3. Versatility is meaningless if you don't get to use it. First you need to argue a scenario wherein he would have both the time and inclination to use his versatility before even arguing about it.

4. You will need to prove that he was using force absorb. You will also need to prove that force absorb can be used THROUGH a machine prosthesis, as he was not actually using his hand at the time. You have a theory, no proof. Til then, the robot hand absorbed the impact of the blaster shots.

1. Not my point. My point is Voldmelrt can still react.

2. Exactly so with that Voldmelrt would still be in possession of his wand. Yes vader could choke him but Voldmelrt would keep his wand in his hands. Common sense how again, I know vader can choke Voldmelrt however that doesn't render him helpless its suprised no Jedi ever used the other hand to use the force or anything else because when Dooku choked kenobi in ROTS wasn't one hand still free? So common sense would say why didn't kenobi use a force push to at least stagger Dooku and break his concentration. Yes there is a chance but like you said a very low chance as their is no showing of any Jedi, SITH, or regular being from Star Wars dropping that object because they are being choked and then it's a special object like a lightsaber/wand. Also we should get Quan some common sense lessons because he lacks common sense to a level that I can't even fathom.

3. And with that versatility there are plent for instance they meet and first spell he shoots shrinks vader. Now Voldmelrts reflexes are actually tuned for a person of his age and physical condition. He is not a slow old man, however I would say vaders reflexes would be better, but Voldmelrt isn't slow. Also per the movie, vader doesn't have any real speed feats to say that he has superhuman speed. Neither does Voldmelrt but we see what he can do.

4. The only other answer would be that his suit is made to where it blocks blaster bolts. Both seem likely, however tutaminis wouldn't be to far fetched what so ever. As per the wookipedia for tutaminis under appearances it says it was first seen in Empire strikes back the movie. So with that tutaminis was most likely what was used.

Movie Vader sucks at combat. One wordless flick of his hand and Voldemort wins.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Win.

You just called a post saying blaster bolts are as fast as bullets "win". Yet it was posted today and today is not opposite day.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1. Not my point. My point is Voldmelrt can still react.

2. Exactly so with that Voldmelrt would still be in possession of his wand. Yes vader could choke him but Voldmelrt would keep his wand in his hands. Common sense how again, I know vader can choke Voldmelrt however that doesn't render him helpless its suprised no Jedi ever used the other hand to use the force or anything else because when Dooku choked kenobi in ROTS wasn't one hand still free? So common sense would say why didn't kenobi use a force push to at least stagger Dooku and break his concentration. Yes there is a chance but like you said a very low chance as their is no showing of any Jedi, SITH, or regular being from Star Wars dropping that object because they are being choked and then it's a special object like a lightsaber/wand. Also we should get Quan some common sense lessons because he lacks common sense to a level that I can't even fathom.

3. And with that versatility there are plent for instance they meet and first spell he shoots shrinks vader. Now Voldmelrts reflexes are actually tuned for a person of his age and physical condition. He is not a slow old man, however I would say vaders reflexes would be better, but Voldmelrt isn't slow. Also per the movie, vader doesn't have any real speed feats to say that he has superhuman speed. Neither does Voldmelrt but we see what he can do.

4. The only other answer would be that his suit is made to where it blocks blaster bolts. Both seem likely, however tutaminis wouldn't be to far fetched what so ever. As per the wookipedia for tutaminis under appearances it says it was first seen in Empire strikes back the movie. So with that tutaminis was most likely what was used.

1. Never said he couldn't. Just said the chances are not good.

2. Thats.... not common sense at all. That's scripting the battle and ignoring basic human bodily response. It's like saying "hey I still have both my hands free after getting splashed by boiling hot water in the face, I can still fight!". Well, yeah, possible. Not likely, tho. There are no showings of Jedi dropping their sabers as it seems extremely hard for them to do so (kenobi example). An example of ppl dropping their weapons when force choked:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg (0:35). Seriously, are you really saying that ppl in the real world won't tend to drop what they're holding when they're suddenly choking?

3. No. Characters fight in-character here. First go-to spell would always be the spell he uses the most. AK is the most likely spell he would use off the bat. There is a chance he would use other spells, yes. But the chances are slim based on what he has been known to do. Versatility comes into play when primary options are being exhausted. We cannot argue that he suddenly uses all his versatility off-the-bat. Just doesn't work that way.

4. Or that it is durable enough to withstand powerful attacks? You have no proof of any of these theories. Wookipedia, as you know, is like Wiki and is not proof. If you plan to use it, you need to be mindful of the source material. And while it is a reasonable assumption to say that it was force absorb, it is, however not evidence if they simply based it on the fact that "well Vader used his hands to block blaster bolts". And while I'm sure you want to, you just cannot use unsubstantiated theories in a debate.

Also, where has it been shown that Tutaminis can be done via a robot hand or cybernetic prosthesis (as this is not really a part of the Jedi's body)?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1. Never said he couldn't. Just said the chances are not good.

2. Thats.... not common sense at all. That's scripting the battle and ignoring basic human bodily response. It's like saying "hey I still have both my hands free after getting splashed by boiling hot water in the face, I can still fight!". Well, yeah, possible. Not likely, tho. There are no showings of Jedi dropping their sabers as it seems extremely hard for them to do so (kenobi example). An example of ppl dropping their weapons when force choked:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg (0:35). Seriously, are you really saying that ppl in the real world won't tend to drop what they're holding when they're suddenly choking?

3. No. Characters fight in-character here. First go-to spell would always be the spell he uses the most. AK is the most likely spell he would use off the bat. There is a chance he would use other spells, yes. But the chances are slim based on what he has been known to do. Versatility comes into play when primary options are being exhausted. We cannot argue that he suddenly uses all his versatility off-the-bat. Just doesn't work that way.

4. Or that it is durable enough to withstand powerful attacks? You have no proof of any of these theories. Wookipedia, as you know, is like Wiki and is not proof. If you plan to use it, you need to be mindful of the source material. And while it is a reasonable assumption to say that it was force absorb, it is, however not evidence if they simply based it on the fact that "well Vader used his hands to block blaster bolts". And while I'm sure you want to, you just cannot use unsubstantiated theories in a debate.

Also, where has it been shown that Tutaminis can be done via a robot hand or cybernetic prosthesis (as this is not really a part of the Jedi's body)?

1. Ok I respect your views.

2. That's all I'm trying to get you to see is its possible. Like if your boxing and you get beat to a pulp yet boxers still get in and fight. So yes you can very well still go on. I have a friend who got boiled water on a part of him and he was still able to function just fine. Double standards much. Jedi don't drop their weapons with kenobi describing that it is part of your or an extinction of the force or however he describes but a wizard to you has a good chance of dropping it when their wand has blue to them. "The wand chooses the wizard" this forming an essential bond. That video you posted could have very well been Sidious disarming them as how in the very next scene he chokes two guards and they keep their weapons, so debunked.

3. I'm just saying, what if he does then what does vader have. If that's the case than vader is going to take out his saber and lash out and being 10 feet apart that gives Voldmelrt plenty of time to just apparate or disarm him of his weapon as vader has no speed feats to suggest he could cover that in enough time to get Voldmelrt before he is disarmed of his lightsaber and seeing as how fast Voldmelrt can be I don't see his suit or anything else blocking his versatility.

4. Didn't I just tell you that it's said. It said it appeared in the movie where vader blocks Hans blasters. Why doesn't that seem plausible to you why do you have a problem accepting this. The circumstances definitely called for it and while it's possible that his armor just is that durable, tutaminis is just as likely valuable. With that why is able to use force choke then if it needs a jedis hands.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1. Ok I respect your views.

2. That's all I'm trying to get you to see is its possible. Like if your boxing and you get beat to a pulp yet boxers still get in and fight. So yes you can very well still go on. I have a friend who got boiled water on a part of him and he was still able to function just fine. Double standards much. Jedi don't drop their weapons with kenobi describing that it is part of your or an extinction of the force or however he describes but a wizard to you has a good chance of dropping it when their wand has blue to them. "The wand chooses the wizard" this forming an essential bond. That video you posted could have very well been Sidious disarming them as how in the very next scene he chokes two guards and they keep their weapons, so debunked.

3. I'm just saying, what if he does then what does vader have. If that's the case than vader is going to take out his saber and lash out and being 10 feet apart that gives Voldmelrt plenty of time to just apparate or disarm him of his weapon as vader has no speed feats to suggest he could cover that in enough time to get Voldmelrt before he is disarmed of his lightsaber and seeing as how fast Voldmelrt can be I don't see his suit or anything else blocking his versatility.

4. Didn't I just tell you that it's said. It said it appeared in the movie where vader blocks Hans blasters. Why doesn't that seem plausible to you why do you have a problem accepting this. The circumstances definitely called for it and while it's possible that his armor just is that durable, tutaminis is just as likely valuable. With that why is able to use force choke then if it needs a jedis hands.

Was gonna reply, but RL stuff interfering too much. Will get back to you in a day or two. 🙂

Voldemort gets Force choked. Vader wins.

Originally posted by Stigma
Voldemort gets Force choked. Vader wins.

I say it's a draw.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I say it's a draw.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is why you're a fool. Voldemort wins.

Force choke. Force augmentation.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Force choke. Force augmentation.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort also has tk power. One spell and it kills Vader. Voldemort can attack while his oxygen has been cut off. You put me on ignore for not even a day. How pathetic.

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None of which are more powerful than Vader's without that wand, and Vader can just take the wand away. That's why I say it's a draw. Both have chances of winning.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
None of which are more powerful than Vader's without that wand, and Vader can just take the wand away. That's why I say it's a draw. Both have chances of winning.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it. Voldemort is quicker with his tk. Voldemort can fly, blast, apparatus, create giant fireballs, use the death curse, torture curse. Vader is too slow and gets wrecked. Voldemort is the baddest wizard out there.

It's apparate. Learn your Harry Potter knowledge. Again this versatility is why I say it's a tie, because voldemort's versatility is matched by Vader's magnitude. Show where Vader's speed has been an issue for him that has caused him to lose a battle. Voldemort is the most evil. https://youtu.be/oOYU88iGwCY 2:36 https://youtu.be/uoO2URonebQ 0:23 Vader demonstrates stronger TK.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It's apparate. Learn your Harry Potter knowledge. Again this versatility is why I say it's a tie, because voldemort's versatility is matched by Vader's magnitude. Show where Vader's speed has been an issue for him that has caused him to lose a battle. Voldemort is the most evil. https://youtu.be/oOYU88iGwCY 2:36 https://youtu.be/uoO2URonebQ 0:23 Vader demonstrates stronger TK.

Luke Skywalker. 😂

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Originally posted by quanchi112
I typed apparate but the autocorrect did that, dummy. Vader doesn't have greater power or ranged combat like Voldemort, dummy.

Luke Skywalker. 😂

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Not my problem. Watch your spelling. So you concede that Vader does have greater TK than Voldemort without a wand. When did I ever say he didn't. This battle would be a tie.

Prove it.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Not my problem. Watch your spelling. So you concede that Vader does have greater TK than Voldemort without a wand. When did I ever say he didn't. This battle would be a tie.

Prove it.

No, I don't. Voldemort kills him instantly. Han Solo fired off successive blasts that hit Vader. Voldemort wins with one shot.

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Evidence supports my claims. Again.