Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Fallen Empire

Originally posted by Nephthys
Of course I'm not ignoring those facts, I loved those video's. Every leader has to delegate tasks, it's called government. It's not like Sidious actually established and formed the Republic and CIS militaries on ever level personally, he just ordered their creation and then the various military leader's organised everything underneath him. It's not like Tempest started talking about Tarkin or Dooku, despite their huge impact in his work. I'm just lumping everything together under them for comparisons sake.

Pfft. You'll notice that I wasn't doing the idiotic pissing contest about who was l33ter at building empires. All I was doing was explaining why it took Vitiate much longer to create the Sith Empire than it did for Sidious to create his Galactic Empire. Basic logistical and practical reasons for why building something literally brick by brick takes longer than just taking over an existing structure.

So I'll give you this opportunity to concede that Sheev is better and performed greater feats, if not we'll carry on.

But Sheev didn't do that :/

He manipulated a public that loved the Jedi into one that persecuted them. He turned a republic into an empire.

I'd say it's easier to build something brick by brick than replace every single brick from the foundation up, in an already existing structure.

Originally posted by Sinious
Vitiate is the only Sith I can think of who could rival Sidious' glamour. He made the entire Sith race and faction worship him for centuries and brought so much to Sith culture as an Emperor such as sophisticated intelligence and Imperial military. Creating another Empire out of scratch is surely insane as well. I can't think of any other Sith who could replicate that but Sidious. And I have to agree with you tbh. Vitiate falls short in political and strategic achievements even with all that compared to Sidious. Palpatine is truly the devil of Star Wars. 👆

You continue to please me. But I'd rank Krayt higher than Vitiate. Kun, Revan, and Plagueis are all comparable to him as well.

Originally posted by Selenial
So I'll give you this opportunity to concede that Sheev is better and performed greater feats, if not we'll carry on.

But Sheev didn't do that :/

He manipulated a public that loved the Jedi into one that persecuted them. He turned a republic into an empire.

I'd say it's easier to build something brick by brick than replace every single brick from the foundation up, in an already existing structure.

I have no opinion on the matter, their accomplishments are utterly different in every respect. Attempting to compare them in terms of which is better is foolish.

I'm pretty sure the Jedi were distant, out of touch and viewed unfavorably before Sidious stepped on the stage but I could be wrong there.

I'd really disagree with you, merely reforming something isn't as difficult as establishing it in the first place. Especially when Sidious already had unlimited authority to make whatever changes he wanted.

Proof that Sheev had unlimited authority to do whatever he wanted??

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You continue to please me. But I'd rank Krayt higher than Vitiate. Kun, Revan, and Plagueis are all comparable to him as well.

Plagueis and Revan both deserve a mention but why Kun?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Proof that Sheev had unlimited authority to do whatever he wanted??

Ask a serious question.....

Wow. Can't believe your anti-Sheevism has escalated to the point you'd just flat out make stuff up to discredit him. Shameful, Neph. 😬

It isn't something I'm going to dignify with proving.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It isn't something I'm going to dignify with proving.

I like this quote. When I think of how I'll use it in the future, it brings a smile to my face and a hardness in my crotch.

That's just ****ing weird.

Is it Dmb?

Is it really?

The truth is me and Neph ain't nothin' but mammals and we gonna do it how they do it on the discovery channel tbh.

Originally posted by Sinious
he himself isn't top tier force user.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Is it Dmb?

Is it really?

The truth is me and Neph ain't nothin' but mammals and we gonna do it how they do it on the discovery channel tbh.

It was popular song a while back.

Oh ok, that's what you meant. Just the song.

Yeah, twas a good song.

Yeah, what else would I have meant??

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Is it Dmb?

Is it really?

The truth is me and Neph ain't nothin' but mammals and we gonna do it how they do it on the discovery channel tbh.

And this thread would ave not been created if the council did not brainwashed Revan or Revan fully recover because he woul have killed vitiate with psychics bombs...

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Proof that Sheev had unlimited authority to do whatever he wanted??

Originally posted by Sinious
I do agree that Krayt is potentially above Vitiate in this contest but something about him makes it harder for me to put him up there. Perhaps its because of the lack of rivalry amongst Sith in his era or the fact that he himself isn't top tier force user.

Plagueis and Revan both deserve a mention but why Kun?

Because he's one of the most powerful ever, is far more powerful than any Jedi of the era and is even more powerful than any Ancient Sith. He also has the knowledge of Freedon Nadd, which amounted to far more than Darth Vader. He has also been compared to Sidious himself as one of the most potent Dark Siders Luke had ever faced.