Goku stated that Super Baby Vegeta 1 had the most powerful ki he'd EVER felt:
In a nutshell, this means:
N00b SSJ4 Goku~/>Oozaru Baby>>>>>>>Super Baby Vegeta 2>>>>Super Baby Vegeta 1>>>ALL before him(both GT and Z characters included.)
And given that Beerus was stated to be the most powerful being in the history of Z at the time of BoG, I suppose this ultimately boils down to where exactly you'd rank SSJGSSJ Goku/Vegeta in comparison to him... Because they'd have to be many, many times more powerful than Beerus to even stand a chance against their SSJ4 counterparts(remember, there was a 10x difference just between Oozaru Baby and SBV2.)
Originally posted by Galan007
Goku stated that Super Baby Vegeta 1 had the most powerful ki he'd EVER felt:In a nutshell, this means:
N00b SSJ4 Goku~/>Oozaru Baby>>>>>>>Super Baby Vegeta 2>>>>Super Baby Vegeta 1>>>ALL before him(both GT and Z characters included.)And given that Beerus was stated to be the most powerful being in the history of Z at the time of BoG, I suppose this ultimately boils down to where exactly you'd rank SSJGSSJ Goku/Vegeta in comparison to him... Because they'd have to be many, many times more powerful than Beerus to even stand a chance against their SSJ4 counterparts(remember, there was a [b]10x
difference just between Oozaru Baby and SBV2.) [/B]
How powerful comparing his Shadow Dragon saga self to his Baby saga self for SSJ4 Goku BTW?
Originally posted by Blockythe1guy
How powerful comparing his Shadow Dragon saga self to his Baby saga self for SSJ4 Goku BTW?
Hilariously more powerful
SSJ3 Baby Saga Goku couldn't beat Baby Vegeta's base form while Uub after merging with Fat Buu forced Super Baby Vegeta 2 to exert actual effort. But then in the Super 17 Saga, Uub's kick couldn't make Super 17 budge while SSJ Goku punched the super android in the gut and sent him flying hundreds of miles away.
Originally posted by bbrem123
The fact that Goku could gauge and comprehend power levels around ssj4 makes me think that God modes are beyond them. But in reality there is now way to really say one is stronger than the other
God mode is a different ki which means Goku just couldn't feel it not that he couldn't guage it. He couldn't feel the Androids 17 and 18's ki either but they weren't beyond SSJ4.
Originally posted by Crimson DragoonYeah, because that makes sense...
Hilariously more powerfulSSJ3 Baby Saga Goku couldn't beat Baby Vegeta's base form while Uub after merging with Fat Buu forced Super Baby Vegeta 2 to exert actual effort. But then in the Super 17 Saga, Uub's kick couldn't make Super 17 budge while SSJ Goku punched the super android in the gut and sent him flying hundreds of miles away.
Originally posted by juggermanNo I was taking about after he became a god. Not sure exactly what was said, but it happened when he was taking to beerus
God mode is a different ki which means Goku just couldn't feel it not that he couldn't guage it. He couldn't feel the Androids 17 and 18's ki either but they weren't beyond SSJ4.
According to the wiki, the comic version of one of the movies suggests going SSJ4 ~ Fusing into Super Vegito. If we were to assume that were accurate, we're probably talking in the range of 800xBase and extremely sustainable, and Base in GT is dozens of times stronger than it is in Z.
The power of the gods is pretty fantastic and seems to be far and beyond what most Z fighters are capable of, but even being modest as possible with GT, they're really outmatched.
Originally posted by NewGuy01The Wiki is referring to this excerpt from the GT Special, I assume:
According to the wiki, the comic version of one of the movies suggests going SSJ4 ~ Fusing into Super Vegito.
Translation:
Merging With Vegeta!
"After Goku and Vegeta use a merging item to merge, they become Vegetto! They can furthermore become a Super Saiyan, making them Super Vegetto! After the two strongest people merge, they become the greatest master in the universe! Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!"
It certainly doesn't suffice as admissible proof, as it is a speculatory statement at the very most. "Perhaps" x>y doesn't confirm a thing. There were a few other tidbits from that Special that were flat-out wrong as well(for example: it stated that SSJ2 was never used again after the Cell saga.) Suffice to say: it is a very sketchy source to rely on.
Galan...
Do you think SS4 Goku can casually blow up a sun and stand in the heart of a planet explosion like nothing happened? Beerus did this. He also blitzed some moons to dust. If we are looking at fts then Beerus stomps any GT character. If we are going by statements then, I would still give it to the God's (who are close to Beerus in power imo). Don't understand a lot of people here. It seems like statements are only accepted in DBZ during certain circumstances.
Originally posted by carver9
Galan...Do you think SS4 Goku can casually blow up a sun and stand in the heart of a planet explosion like nothing happened? Beerus did this. He also blitzed some moons to dust. If we are looking at fts then Beerus stomps any GT character. If we are going by statements then, I would still give it to the God's (who are close to Beerus in power imo). Don't understand a lot of people here. It seems like statements are only accepted in DBZ during certain circumstances.
Again, going by this "logic" Cell should be less powerful than Frieza since he didn't destroy a planet. Or anything even close to a planet. All Cell had in his favor was statements while Frieza had actual feats
