SSJGSSJ Goku & Vegeta vs. SSJ4 Goku & Vegeta

Originally posted by carver9
Galan...

Do you think SS4 Goku can casually blow up a sun and stand in the heart of a planet explosion like nothing happened? Beerus did this. He also blitzed some moons to dust. If we are looking at fts then Beerus stomps any GT character. If we are going by statements then, I would still give it to the God's (who are close to Beerus in power imo). Don't understand a lot of people here. It seems like statements are only accepted in DBZ during certain circumstances.

Hell, SSJ4 in particular was so haxx that it overrode a wish from Ultimate Shenron, ffs... srsly

Originally posted by Galan007
Do I think SSJ4 can sun-bust? Yes. Do I think SSJ4's strikes/blasts can harm Beerus? Yes. GT-levels are just that haxx.

Hell, SSJ4 in particular was so haxx that it overrode a wish from Ultimate Shenron, ffs... srsly

Agreed, with that said the gods win.

Originally posted by juggerman
Again, going by this "logic" Cell should be less powerful than Frieza since he didn't destroy a planet. Or anything even close to a planet. All Cell had in his favor was statements while Frieza had actual feats

Uuummmm, I was being sarcastic with that part. We know DBZ works primarily off of power level. Can you see Super Saiyan 4 literally tanking a planet exploding on him while standing in one spot like nothing happened?

The SSJ4 win

No way in hell

Originally posted by carver9
Uuummmm, I was being sarcastic with that part. We know DBZ works primarily off of power level. Can you see Super Saiyan 4 literally tanking a planet exploding on him while standing in one spot like nothing happened?

Hope this answers your question about who is more powerful. Props to Galan:

Just for a brief overview of the ridiculousness of GT multipliers...

Kid Goku stated that base form Rildo was "even more powerful than Majin Buu"(he was likely referring to Kid Buu, as he specifically used the title "Majin"😉, before going on to stalemate Rildo in his base form. Base Goku also trounced both Cell AND Frieza with an effortless degree of ease-- they were literally nothing in comparison.
ie. base Goku~base Rildo>Majin Buu>>>>Cell>>>>Frieza.

After transforming into a SSJ, Rildo stated that Goku's power "increased a hundred fold."
ie. SSJ Goku 100x>base Goku~base Rildo>Majin Buu.

If the base-to-SSJ multiplier in GT = 100x, I have no idea how effing vast the SSJ2-SSJ3 multipliers may have been(double what they were in Z, maybe..?) What we do know is that SSJ2 Baby-Vegeta was thoroughly trouncing SSJ3 Goku-- yet after reaching SSJ4, Goku was able to tool Baby with lulz-worthy ease.
ie. SSJ4 Goku>>>SSJ2 Baby-Vegeta>>SSJ3 Goku>SSJ2 Goku>SSJ Goku 100x>base Goku~base Rildo>Majin Buu>>>>Cell>>>>Frieza....

Food for thought.

With all that being said, nothing showed Beerus even being 10x as strong as Majin Buu. Remember Gohan was less than twice as strong as Cell and treated him like a weakling. Possibly the most one sided fight in DBZ besides Beerus owning the Z-Warriors was Frieza vs Nail and that was only a difference of around 13x iirc and Nail never harmed Frieza or got the upper hand. Beerus on the other hand WAS harmed by Vegeta and Vegeta gained the upperhand for a brief moment. It should also be noted than Frieza was using less than 1% of his power against Nail

^ To expand on the SSJ4 portion of that post: not only did SSJ4 allow Goku to trounce Super Baby Vegeta 2 with lulz-worthy ease, but it put him roughly on par with Golden Oozaru Baby, who was 10x> SBV2... Which means the SSJ4 multiplier was well in excess of 10x SSJ3.

#craycray.

So who was the most powerful being in GT? It's a long time.

SSJ4 Gogeta, obviously.

Omega Shenron after him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Gogeta loses obviously.

I see you've been infected by the carver virus, Time. There's no hope for you now.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
So who was the most powerful being in GT? It's a long time.

Not only had he been training an additional 100 years, but he was also merged with the Dragon Balls. No way to prove he was the most powerful being(he did nothing after all), but I think it is a logical assumption. /shrug

Hero's Legacy special? Still need to see it.

^ That's from the final episode/scene of GT.

Ah. Don't remember Pan seeing Goku, but it's been a long time.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I see you've been infected by the carver virus, Time. There's no hope for you now.

How so?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ah. Don't remember Pan seeing Goku, but it's been a long time.

The Hero's Legacy Special was about Goku Jr. overcoming his fears and prepping for that very same WMAT, though.

Glad we all agree SSGSSJ shit stomps everyone. Next thread

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Glad we all agree SSGSSJ shit stomps everyone. Next thread

Next thread SSGSSJ Goku vs Whis

Originally posted by Galan007
Imo, the strongest single being would probably be adult Goku, as seen by an elderly Pan at the WMAT during the "100 years later" GT epilogue:

Not only had he been training an additional 100 years, but he was also merged with the Dragon Balls. No way to prove he was the most powerful being(he did nothing after all), but I think it is a logical assumption. /shrug

👆 Yeah I remember, where his grandchild went already SSJ as a baby^^. Would make sense.