SSJGSSJ Goku & Vegeta vs. SSJ4 Goku & Vegeta

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Is this your first day or something..

Not really an insult just pointing out that something not being canon has never been a good reason not to debate it here. More along the lines of a snide comment but if you really took it as an insult then I apologise.

But my point stands. I get it, you don't like GT. Nobody does. Regardless of that, GT's powerlevels were well beyond anything seen in DB and they are still superior to the current standings. It's unfortunate but true.

So you think people from GT would beat Whis and Bills? Akira has gotten rid of powerlevels and gone to a scale of 1-20 it seems.

I dunno man. I haven't seen anyone casually reverse time like Whis in GT. And Whis isn't even regarded as the strongest in the current verse.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So you think people from GT would beat Whis and Bills? Akira has gotten rid of powerlevels and gone to a scale of 1-20 it seems.

Yes I do but only because they decided to make GT crazy OP. Just look at it logically. Vegeta wasn't that much stronger than Goku but he managed to harm Beerus slightly. Even put up a fight for a few minutes. Now compare that to Frieza vs Nail. Nail never harmed or got the upperhand against Frieza so we can take that the difference in power between Vegeta and Beerus was less than the difference in power between Frieza and Nail which was about 13x.

So we know that Beerus wasn't 13x stronger than Vegeta when Vegeta bloodied him. We also know Vegeta wasn't much stronger than Goku and Goku was a bit stronger than Buu. So we have a Beerus around 13x stronger than Buu if we error on the high end here which I am willing to do to show my point.

Now we can rightfully assume Beerus was not using his full power against Vegeta there and he probably wasn't using 70% like he was against Goku so how do we figure his power? Again if we error on the high end we can even say he was using 1% of his power(highly unlikely but for shits and giggles let's go that route) against Vegeta. So 1% of his power would be 13x Buu so 100% would be 1,300x Buu. Holy shit! That's f*cking CRAZY! Again this is giving Beerus just about every benefit of the doubt.

Now we have base GT Goku which starts out already stronger than Buu. This is confirmed by his fight with Rilldo where he states that Rilldo is stronger than Majin Buu yet he fights evenly with him at base. But let's lowball Goku here and say he was equal to Buu. Now when Goku goes SSJ it was stated his power increased 100 fold. So that means Goku at SSJ1 was 100x Buu. Assuming the other forms stayed the same with their multipliers, SSJ2 Goku was 200x Buu and SSJ3 Goku was 800x Buu. Getting close

Now here is where GT just flipped the bird and said "I think we can do better". SSJ3 Goku was inferior to Baby Vegeta but SSJ4 Goku was stomping him. Vegeta then went Great Ape(which is a 10x power boost) and SSJ4 Goku was able to fight evenly with him. That means the SSJ4 form gave a boost of well over 10x SSJ3. But again let's lowball it and say 10 even. That make SSJ4 Goku 8,000x Buu. And that's with lowballing GT and highballing Beerus.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I dunno man. I haven't seen anyone casually reverse time like Whis in GT. And Whis isn't even regarded as the strongest in the current verse.

Crazy abilities doesn't make them stronger. Guldo could stop time. No one has ever been able to replicate this power in DBZ. Does that make Guldo the strongest now?

Guildo time stop was not universal though. Whis time ability was and did not affect continuity of any other time lines.

Whis can also teleport. Not Instant Transmission teleport, but intangible teleportation.

Originally posted by juggerman
Crazy abilities doesn't make them stronger.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Guildo time stop was not universal though. Whis time ability was and did not affect continuity of any other time lines.

When was it shown that Guldo only stopped time locally?

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Whis can also teleport. Not Instant Transmission teleport, but intangible teleportation.

So can Supreme Kai. Also not the strongest character.
Buu can turn you into candy, Piccolo can regen, and Zarbon can transform. These are things Whis cannot do. Are they stronger than him due to these abilities? Same goes for Whis and GT

People are just hopping on the new-age bandwagon, it seems. At this point, there is no feasible way that the SSJGSSJ duo are beyond the SSJ4 duo. No possible way.

What some don't seem to grasp is that in DBZ, you don't need to be hundreds of times > than your opponent to casually stomp them. Examples:
-SSJ Trunks was less than 2x> Mecha-Freeza.
-SSJ2 Gohan was less than 2x> Perfect Cell.
-Fat Buu was around 2x> SSJ2 Gohan.
-Mystic Gohan was less than 2x> Super Buu.
Etc.

...Hell, even Whis is less than 2x> Beerus, yet can effortlessly KO him with one casual chop. srsly

In GT, we're dealing with characters/levels, like SSJ4, that are literally thousandS of times more powerful than their Z counterparts. As of now, Z hasn't come close to bridging that gap. Sorry, but like I've said before: GT is just that haxx.

Originally posted by Galan007
People are just hopping on the new-age bandwagon, it seems. At this point, there is no feasible way that the SSJGSSJ duo are beyond the SSJ4 duo. No possible way.

What some don't seem to grasp is that in DBZ, you don't need to be hundreds of times > than your opponent to casually stomp them. Examples:
-SSJ Trunks was less than 2x> Mecha-Freeza.
-SSJ2 Gohan was less than 2x> Perfect Cell.
-Fat Buu was around 2x> Gohan.
-Mystic Gohan was less than 2x> Super Buu.
Etc.

...Hell, even Whis is less than 2x> Beerus, yet can effortlessly KO him with one casual chop. srsly

In GT, we're dealing with characters/levels, like SSJ4, that are literally thousandS of times more powerful than their Z counterparts. As of now, Z hasn't come close to bridging that gap. Sorry, but like I've said before: GT is just that haxx.

OFT

Originally posted by juggerman
When was it shown that Guldo only stopped time locally?

Just want to throw out there that Burta was so fast that he was capable of moving through time stop and retrieve a thrown Dragonball.

🙂

Please continue.

Originally posted by carver9
Just want to throw out there that Burta was so fast that he was capable of moving through time stop and retrieve a thrown Dragonball.

🙂

Please continue.

What you said is lulz worthy. Burter didn't moved while Guldo did a time stop. Watch the actual scene please 😄

Couldn't find the freaking clip on youtube but here it is in the manga:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2922-3/dragon-ball/chapter-273.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2922-4/dragon-ball/chapter-273.html

Vegeta throws the ball and Burter flys after it and gets it with his speed. No time stop used yet.

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2922-5/dragon-ball/chapter-273.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2922-6/dragon-ball/chapter-273.html

Then afterwards we are introduced to Guldo's ability. It's the same way in the anime except it goes slowmo when Burter is flying after the ball to display his speed. Everyone is still moving tho.

Any other points I can thwomp for ya carv?

can we talk about other anime or is this the only thing most of you guys watch #broadenyouranimehorizons

Unsubstantiated Non Canon GT power levels and multipliers are the only thing that matters brah!

Originally posted by yungz22
can we talk about other anime or is this the only thing most of you guys watch #broadenyouranimehorizons

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Unsubstantiated Non Canon GT power levels and multipliers are the only thing that matters brah!

There are other threads and you are free to make your own as well. No need to clog this or other threads with your complaints.

Hate/bias is all they have, though. 👆

Nah I'm just being real brah!