Who ordered construction of clone troops?

I go with Dooku

good choice.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
That number 1 doesn't track at all- we see other Jedi totally capable of blocking his bolts. That was either a lucky shot or that Jedi simply wasn't much good in combat. Or, more to the point, it was just something the filmmakers did not go into much detail about. The general idea that Jango was some sort of super-Jedi killer is not really shown by that one bit compared to everything else we see.

And Vader being Luke's father wasn't complex; the whole Original Trilogy was very simple indeed and all the better for it.

Always look for a simple answer.

Ok, so you've shot down one of my points...care to try at the other three?

'Cause if not I'm still right. 😆

We have never seen Dooku use a blaster, nor does it seem in his character to do so. So if Dooku killed someone, they'd have lightsaber wounds, therefore giving himself away to the council.

he'd probably choke them. it would send a message to the Jedi since the forensics would show that there was no external trauma to crush his windpipe. The Jedi would figure that out real quick!

see, he died, and if there was anything special about it, they would have told it in the movies

Yeah, so if he was force choked the Jedi would have launched an investigation into how Syfo was killed, and they would have a lead in that it was done by someone with the power of the force. This would lead them right to Sidious before he was ready.

Blaster wounds, on the other hand, could send them down a completely wrong path...

Maybe he choked then shot Syfo's body with a blaster...Or just dumped him in space somewhere...Who knows?

no one, and I'm sure that the jedi would have had a big investigation to the death of Sifo, and clearly they found nothing

Originally posted by VengeanceGOD
Ok, so you've shot down one of my points...care to try at the other three?

'Cause if not I'm still right. 😆

I don't want to; I agree with the possibility.

ok, my last post was merely speculation for amusement and not to be taken seriously. I've already voiced my opinion that we've had enough alluded to in order to assume he was dead and someone took his name for Kamino. I don't even think his death was connected to all this. Jedi do die. He just took a name from a whole list he's got in his head, maybe he respected him while he was still Jedi, but it doesn't matter. He's dead. Dooku used his identity. It is that simple.

Suits me.

It makes some sense, I suppose. I just like to give Sidious and Dooku more credit than just taking someone's name.

why? its one of the oldest tricks it the book because it always works. that's smart.

One hole though: We assume, (so far) that Dooku turned to the dark AFTER he left the Jedi Order. Assuming that's true, who erased Kamino?

who says we assumed that? he may have been thinking of leaving, and was approached by Sidious. They could have sliced the archives from on offsite location as well. but the point is, he may have left after. No one said he wasn't.

And I just found a line in the script that ends this silly debate: when asked who was the host for the clones, Lama Su replies: "A bounty hunter called Jango Fett. We felt a Jedi would be the perfect choice, but Sifo-Dias hand-picked Jango fett himself." So Dooku was in fact using Dias as an alias. Since we know Tyrannous hired Jango. And Dooku is Tyrannous.

Nope....because that's a cut line. Therefore it's not in the movies. Therefore it's not Canon. And as has been argued vehemently on these forums before by others, if it ain't canon, it don't matter in these debates.

So therefore, your whole argument is dead.

dunno, I'll give it a quick look in the novel, that one IS +/- canon

oh, another thing, you can't slice the Archives from another place:
"Only a Jeedai could have erased those files"

EDIT: indeed, the novel says on pagea 211:
"A bounty hunter named jango Fett," Lama Su offered without any hesitation. "We felt that a Jedi would be the perfect choice, but Sifo-Dyas handpicked Jango himself."

but the trick is ... this is ONLY canon when the movies don't contradict it, in other words, we'll be sure of it AFTER EpIII.

That still doesn't add up for me though...if Jango knew Syfo was Dooku's cover, why wouldn't he lie to Obi-wan? Would Dooku really be so foolish as to NOT tell Jango about the cover story?

Also, we don't know from that line that Syfo showed up himself and said Jango was his choice. For all we know, Jango or Dooku told them that after killing Syfo.

Jango said "I was recruited by a man called Darth Tyranus
on one of the moons of Bogden." This is all info we have on the picking of Jango as the host.