Luke Skywalker vs. Darth Vader

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just agreed it doesn't determine the victor. Prove it is more sophisticated. He didn't take one single warrior out to my knowledge at this point so Luje is even more impressive with just one showing.

Hilarious.

Being a warrior or not means nothing. Being a force user and choking another force weilder is. I said it was more sophisticated. It's more sophisticated due to the fact that vader is more experienced with the ability and can use it without his hands. Vader could most likely have choked those two guards with one gesture instead of what Luke did. It's Luke not Luje. You don't even know how to spell so you don't know Luke or Vader. Get out of here.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Being a warrior or not means nothing. Being a force user and choking another force weilder is. I said it was more sophisticated. It's more sophisticated due to the fact that vader is more experienced with the ability and can use it without his hands. Vader could most likely have choked those two guards with one gesture instead of what Luke did. It's Luke not Luje. You don't even know how to spell so you don't know Luke or Vader. Get out of here.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Being a warrior means you can defend yourself. Vader choked his wife and non warriors. Pathetic. Luke edges him out with just one force choke. That was a typo made all the more obvious by me creating this thread topic and saying Luke over and over again.

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Being a person also means you can defend yourself ,so what?Also being able to defend yourself against traditional weapons such as swords, axes, and blasters doesn't mean you can defend yourself against the force. If they go into a battle of force choke vader wins due to greater sophistication and experience with the ability. If you were so used to the name then you'd get it right. Learn how to spell correctly.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Dint say what when I didn't stutter you twit. Dooku had a ski to worry about so your speculation is about impressive as your biased claims. Kenobi was choking but that takes time and all that needed to take place was to break his concentration which took place as evidenced by Obi's continued existence.
Ko'ing him against the railing is what defeated him. Force choking kills, dummy.

What? Speak English.

Choking leaves someone out of breath. Kenobi was gasping for air. So badly that he dropped his weapon to grab his throat.

Even if Dooku let go of Kenobi there and then, Kenobi would have been on the floor weaponless trying to catch his breath back.

You don't need to kill or KO someone to defeat them Dummy!

Or do you concede Mace didn't defeat Sidious? Because Sidious wasn't KO'd either 😂 You're such a Dummy!

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan has a gun. Choking takes time. Khan's also superhuman and very accurate. 💃

Didn't take time to choke Obi-Wan. Khan will be leviated and choked out the same way, and his gun would drop the same way.

Khan will cry and beg for Mercy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't about Khan so try not to let your vagina bleed into this thread, girl.

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I know the point of All your SW threads are to prove Khan can take them.

The point of this thread is for you to prove Vader is weak and can get beaten by a Padawan.

But I'm onto you.

Khan loses to Ahsoka 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you admit he needed to ko him to beat him thus that force choke did not defeat him as you initially claimed due to Anakin. He lost when he was ko'd not before. Ventress force choked both Obi and Anakin before so according to you they lost to.

Obviously he can't risk a temporary defeat of Obi-Wan. Heck he even put the balcony on top of Kenobi in case he woke up after the KO. Every defeat is temporary unless you kill/maim them.

Ventress was struggling to keep up the force choke. They still had their weapons and The second she let go of them they would be fighting back. Clearly not the case with Dooku's complete control over Kenobi's body.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, you did but change tunes here in another thread. While two guys are aware they are fighting there aren't cheapshots. Obi lost. Embarrassingly so.

I didn't say "It wasn't Fair". Don't try and mince my words Troll. I said in H2H the only hits Bane could get in were cheap shots. It's in response to you saying "Look Bane beat Jedi in H2H!!!"

Originally posted by quanchi112
In combat he had more aid. His droids couldn't sneak up but its battle of course you want the drop on your opponent, kiddo

Missing the point as usual. Dooku didn't cheap shot anyone. Bane HAD to.

Originally posted by quanchi112
As was Tano running from the clones. 😂

You still butt hurt you can't win a Khan vs Ahsoka thread 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your failures have come full circle exposing all of your double standards. Dooku uses a sword so he specializes in close combat so he shouldn't run whereas a bounty hunter whose primary weapo is a fun should create more distance. You are really emotionally compromised.

Bane wasn't keeping his distance just to fight that way. He was actually trying to Run Away Dummy. He knew he couldn't take 2 Jedi.

Heck he know he can't take Obi-Wan alone. Kenobi kicked his ass the next time they fought, and Bane was the one with help from another Bounty Hunter.

Keep Trolling 😆

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Being a person also means you can defend yourself ,so what?Also being able to defend yourself against traditional weapons such as swords, axes, and blasters doesn't mean you can defend yourself against the force. If they go into a battle of force choke vader wins due to greater sophistication and experience with the ability. If you were so used to the name then you'd get it right. Learn how to spell correctly.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xfyRUoxIG6Q

Evidence. He won.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Not to the level a warrior can since they have training whereas someone else doesn't. Bane has defended himself and come out on top against the force due to training and skills.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xfyRUoxIG6Q

Evidence. He won.

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A warrior couldn't defend himself differently or better than any normal person can against the force. If force choke is employed on me and employed on cad bane. We are experiencing the same trama and from the same person. Neither one of use have a defense. He can't defend against it any differently than I can. We both have to take it. You use footage of force weilders who don't use offensive force powers. Bane won due to a sly trick. He had her cornered supposedly and then he shot a baluster at her and she deflected it back malfunctioning his arm brace. She was then disarmed and she took him down in about 3 seconds. If she wouldn't have been so focused on getting her lightsaber cad bane would have lost. Fact.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
A warrior couldn't defend himself differently or better than any normal person can against the force. If force choke is employed on me and employed on cad bane. We are experiencing the same trama and from the same person. Neither one of use have a defense. He can't defend against it any differently than I can. We both have to take it. You use footage of force weilders who don't use offensive force powers. Bane won due to a sly trick. He had her cornered supposedly and then he shot a baluster at her and she deflected it back malfunctioning his arm brace. She was then disarmed and she took him down in about 3 seconds. If she wouldn't have been so focused on getting her lightsaber cad bane would have lost. Fact.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xfyRUoxIG6Q

Cad Bane beats the force user. Ignoring training and Saying the force always wins ignores evidence like you always do. I back my claims, biased boy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, they could as evidenced by this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xfyRUoxIG6Q

Cad Bane beats the force user. Ignoring training and Samsung force always wins ignores evidence like you always do. I back my claims, biased boy.

i too prefer samsung products.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i too prefer samsung products.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Apple shouldn't autocorrect to Samsung. How dare they.

that is very odd indeed. it's a sign! buy a galaxy tab.

All out trying to kill each other, I'd edge Vader's years of training and experience over Luke's speed advantage of not being is a bulky life-support unit. Giving Vader the greater advantage.

But as noted, they were both holding back in that fight, so it's not a clear cut Vader or Luke wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, they could as evidenced by this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xfyRUoxIG6Q

Cad Bane beats the force user. Ignoring training and Saying the force always wins ignores evidence like you always do. I back my claims, biased boy.

Did Ahsoka use any offensive force powers against Cad Bane.

Did the force user use any offensive force powers? No and then without it Ahsoka won but she was distracted with attempting to retrieve her lightsaber. So if Bruce Lee and chuck Norris both at one time go up,against Darth Sidious. Sidious doesn't speed blitz or use lightsabers. Who is going to win. You know what Norris and Lee both get Ak 47s. 3 hours prep. When the battle start out they both start out 5 feet apart. They already have guns out but not aiming. Who wins? I'll give you a hint the one who has the force.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Did Ahsoka use any offensive force powers against Cad Bane.

Did the force user use any offensive force powers? No and then without it Ahsoka won but she was distracted with attempting to retrieve her lightsaber. So if Bruce Lee and chuck Norris both at one time go up,against Darth Sidious. Sidious doesn't speed blitz or use lightsabers. Who is going to win. You know what Norris and Lee both get Ak 47s. 3 hours prep. When the battle start out they both start out 5 feet apart. They already have guns out but not aiming. Who wins? I'll give you a hint the one who has the force.

Luke wins here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So ? She lost. Facts. Your fantasy take on things isn't evidence. Bane won.

Luke wins here.

Actually she won but he pulled a sneaky trick thus he couldn't take the force weilder. Facts.

Opinion. I say. Vader.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
luke was outright refusing to fight. thats not my opinion, but easily recognizable fact via dialogue and action. how much more obvious could it be than luke's final act of refusing to fight and even going so far as to throw away his lightsaber.

no, you mistakenly translated it into that. he never claimed to be defenseless. thats just baseless.

power would likely be the sum total of a jedi's abilities. thats all i can figure since darth vader says "I see you have constructed a new lightsaber. Your skills are complete. Indeed you are powerful, as the Emperor has foreseen." that line comes off as a complete non sequitur unless knowledge and skill are also regarded as part of a jedi's power.

In ESB Vader showed Luke what he could do when he used the force, something he did not do in his fight in ROTJ.

Also going by your definition of power, how does Luke equal or surpass Vader? Obviously the statement "Skill complete" cannot refer to a state of being complete with no room to grow. Luke obviously was a Jedi at this point and knew the basics. He was in a position to be brought before the emperor.

To say that Luke reach his full potential in ROTJ is ridiculous. Vader stated in ANH that his powers were at their peak, showing that they had grown from his last encounter with Obi wan in ROTS. This was years later. It took years for his powers to reach a certain level and you are saying his son reach that level in a fracture of those years with minimal training?

well since luke already beat vader all out at the end of ROTJ i think its safe to say he'd win again under the same conditions....

To even pretend like Luke has the same TK ability as Vader even by ROTJ is simply flat out wrong. He was no where near Vader in the TK department at that point. Vader was simply better in all ways when it comes to TK. Luke has zero feats to put him on that level. Sure after ROTJ he vastly improved and far surpasses vader in this area, but not by ROTJ

Originally posted by relentless1
well since luke already beat vader all out at the end of ROTJ i think its safe to say he'd win again under the same conditions....

They weren't holding back equally. Vader clearly, wasn't trying to hurt Luke and was much more conflicted then in his battle in ESB.

Originally posted by Kotor3
So was Vader. What is your point? Once again them both holding back is not the argument. What is mistaken by my translation? Luke says you did not destroy me before and I don't believe you will destroy me now. Clearly showing he knows his father is holding back.

In ESB Vader showed Luke what he could do when he used the force, something he did not do in his fight in ROTJ.

Also going by your definition of power, how does Luke equal or surpass Vader? Obviously the statement "Skill complete" cannot refer to a state of being complete with no room to grow. Luke obviously was a Jedi at this point and knew the basics. He was in a position to be brought before the emperor.

To say that Luke reach his full potential in ROTJ is ridiculous. Vader stated in ANH that his powers were at their peak, showing that they had grown from his last encounter with Obi wan in ROTS. This was years later. It took years for his powers to reach a certain level and you are saying his son reach that level in a fracture of those years with minimal training?

holding back is not the same as outright refusal to fight. two totally different concepts. also while vader did indeed hold back in rotj, this was never discussed between them or even hinted at until luke's "your thoughts betray you, father".

vader knew that luke had trained since then, his skills were complete, he was indeed powerful, so he wouldnt fall for the cheap tricks like the noob he was in esb. all he did in esb was throw stuff at luke. hardly a challenge for a jedi to counter with a completed skillset.

they considered themselves to be above the jedi, obviously. so by "completing his training" they were directly referring to their plan to turn him to the darkside. they obviously believe (falsely, as yoda would assert) that the darkside enhances/completes a
jedi's power, so that could be the full meaning right there. if not then the only other explanation is that vader and palp were contradicting eachother.

i never said luke reached his full potential. vader said that his skills were now complete, or rather that he had completed his training. completing ones training/learning a skill is not the same as mastering one's skill, which is never a completed process in any context.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What? Speak English.

Choking leaves someone out of breath. Kenobi was gasping for air. So badly that he dropped his weapon to grab his throat.

Even if Dooku let go of Kenobi there and then, Kenobi would have been on the floor weaponless trying to catch his breath back.

You don't need to kill or KO someone to defeat them Dummy!

Or do you concede Mace didn't defeat Sidious? Because Sidious wasn't KO'd either 😂 You're such a Dummy!

Didn't take time to choke Obi-Wan. Khan will be leviated and choked out the same way, and his gun would drop the same way.

Khan will cry and beg for Mercy.

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I know the point of All your SW threads are to prove Khan can take them.

The point of this thread is for you to prove Vader is weak and can get beaten by a Padawan.

But I'm onto you.

Khan loses to Ahsoka 😆

Obviously he can't risk a temporary defeat of Obi-Wan. Heck he even put the balcony on top of Kenobi in case he woke up after the KO. Every defeat is temporary unless you kill/maim them.

Ventress was struggling to keep up the force choke. They still had their weapons and The second she let go of them they would be fighting back. Clearly not the case with Dooku's complete control over Kenobi's body.

I didn't say "It wasn't Fair". Don't try and mince my words Troll. I said in H2H the only hits Bane could get in were cheap shots. It's in response to you saying "Look Bane beat Jedi in H2H!!!"

Missing the point as usual. Dooku didn't cheap shot anyone. Bane HAD to.

You still butt hurt you can't win a Khan vs Ahsoka thread 😆

Bane wasn't keeping his distance just to fight that way. He was actually trying to Run Away Dummy. He knew he couldn't take 2 Jedi.

Heck he know he can't take Obi-Wan alone. Kenobi kicked his ass the next time they fought, and Bane was the one with help from another Bounty Hunter.

Keep Trolling 😆

You speculate. The fact is when he was ko'd he was defeated by the force push. Your speculation is not proof.

I know but Obi was not defeated here until he was ko'd. That's what beat him here. Ko'ing him is a fact in this instance. Sidious was unable to defend himself. Read back my posts you imbecile.

Yes, it did. Obi was not defeated and was choked for more than seconds. Time is vital but everything you argue for is instantaneous. **** time according to fanboys such as yourself. Obi doesn't have superhuman cellular regeneration. Facts, kiddo. Crying and begging is left to the likes of Palpatine. 😂

Khan isn't in this thread so please quit going off topic. Calm your vagina. Luje was not a padawan here. He was a force and one that despite his short training was enough to dominate Vader as soon as he got angry.

She's the same girl who was tossed around and needed wookiee help against crappy hunters. Laughable.

So you admit the force choke didn't defeat him there the force push did. Perfect.

Nothing they did prevented her from doing so. The ship moved thus breaking her concentration against two superior Jedi. How weak they are. 😆

They wrote not cheap. Regardless bane won. It doesn't matter. Obi was humiliated by one bounty hunter.

Dooku died. Bane lived. Dooku was an idiot. He was betrayed by his master. See ya later, dead Dooku.

Tano needed wookiee help against redneck hunters. 😂

He kept the distance due to his weaponry. He beat Obi. Bane flat out bested him in hand to hand backing my claims they dint have combat super speed.

Luke wins, darth troll. Just like he did in Rotj. 💃