Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Your interpretation isn't. Like you know how to spell his name. He died. What a dummy,
The video is and that what it showed.Spell Palpatine right please. You shame him with your terrible spelling. Vader was on his trail. That's why he wanted StarKiller and Luke so he could get his stuff done. Both could squash you any time of the week. In both physical and mythical competitions.
I don't think so.
You don't think. That's the problem.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Your interpretation isn't. Like you know how to spell his name. He died. What a dummy,You don't think. That's the problem.
I don't have an interpretation. I have facts. Um yea pretty easy. Palpatine. And so will you. Your point is?
I actual ally use my brain you should try it.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2You don't know what fact means. I have them. Luke won. Palpatine erred in assuming he'd turn and then he died.
I don't have an interpretation. I have facts. Um yea pretty easy. Palpatine. And so will you. Your point is?I actual ally use my brain you should try it.
Actual ally use your brain, huh ? You're a dummy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You don't know what fact means. I have them. Luke won. Palpatine erred in assuming he'd turn and then he died.Actual ally use your brain, huh ? You're a dummy.
Apparently so if use them all the time. You need relevant facts. Irrelevant. Having a misconception and being stupid aren't the same thing. I know it's hard for you to understand but do try.
If you put the words together you get actually with an extra letter or two by typo mistake. Stop describing yourself.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Fact is he wanted his aid and didn't kill him.
Apparently so if use them all the time. You need relevant facts. Irrelevant. Having a misconception and being stupid aren't the same thing. I know it's hard for you to understand but do try.If you put the words together you get actually with an extra letter or two by typo mistake. Stop describing yourself.
You are deliciously stupid.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove he tried to kill him.Stupidity has nothing to do with homosexuality. See you're stupid.
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Or you could just go back where I posted the video and watch the times I posted.
So you admit you are gay. Nothing wrong with it just don't push it on others. Quan stop describing yourself.
Originally posted by Bashar TegI really don’t get your reasoning.
holding back is not the same as outright refusal to fight. two totally different concepts. also while vader did indeed hold back in rotj, this was never discussed between them or even hinted at until luke's "your thoughts betray you, father".vader knew that luke had trained since then, his skills were complete, he was indeed powerful, so he wouldnt fall for the cheap tricks like the noob he was in esb. all he did in esb was throw stuff at luke. hardly a challenge for a jedi to counter with a completed skillset.
they considered themselves to be above the jedi, obviously. so by "completing his training" they were directly referring to their plan to turn him to the darkside. they obviously believe (falsely, as yoda would assert) that the darkside enhances/completes a
jedi's power, so that could be the full meaning right there. if not then the only other explanation is that vader and palp were contradicting eachother.i never said luke reached his full potential. vader said that his skills were now complete, or rather that he had completed his training. completing ones training/learning a skill is not the same as mastering one's skill, which is never a completed process in any context.
Vader showed Luke as I stated before what he could do with the force. Since it is so easy to block objects being thrown at you by a Jedi (as you say), tell me what feats Luke has that suggest he would be able to do so easily?
Yoda, was able to do so to Dooku because he was more powerful, but not easily. Yoda, had to doge pods sent from Sidious until he got in a position to counter. So once again what examples do you have that show it is easy to block a telekinesis attack from someone as powerful as Vader?
Luke has no feats that show he would be able to complete with Vader in such a contest. Let alone win. Vader absolutely did nothing to hurt Luke in that fight while Luke was the aggressor.
Luke only chance of winning is to keep the battle a battle between sabers. Then again Vader has shown ability to fight with a saber and use telekinesis at the same time.
From your own words if Luke finish his training how is he on the same level as a veteran like Vader?
luke's plan was obviously to not fight at all. palpatine trolled him into becoming angry and fighting, and thats how the duel began. to suggest that luke went in planning to fight at all is completely wrong. the whole reason he fought in the first place was because he lost control of his temper and began his decent. if we cant agree on that most basic plot point, we're at an impasse and should just agree to disagree, since every other point kinda hinges on this one.
Originally posted by Bashar TegWe are going to agree to disagree.
luke's plan was obviously to not fight at all. palpatine trolled him into becoming angry and fighting, and thats how the duel began. to suggest that luke went in planning to fight at all is completely wrong. the whole reason he fought in the first place was because he lost control of his temper and began his decent. if we cant agree on that most basic plot point, we're at an impasse and should just agree to disagree, since every other point kinda hinges on this one.
The whole point of this discussion was you made a statement that there was no way to really tell who was more powerful at this time, Luke or Vader because both held back.
I am stating that Vader was clearly more powerful. Whatever Luke intentions were, once he attacked he became and stayed the aggressor throughout the fight. Luke was clearly at a level in which he could face Vader since he was now a Jedi. However, this was due to his raw power that he could tap into.
Luke's own words shows that he knew his father could destroy him if he truly wanted to.
Vader was as I stated in ANH had reached his potential and mostly likely became he more powerful by ROTJ. Luke had not. So, Luke was not more powerful than Vader at this time. He had the ability to reach into that potential by becoming angry as he did in their last fight.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Your own words proved you wrong. He also didn't die. Stupidity doesn't mean gay. What's wrong with you, kid ?
Or you could just go back where I posted the video and watch the times I posted.So you admit you are gay. Nothing wrong with it just don't push it on others. Quan stop describing yourself.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Your own words don't prove that. He lived and his words are facts. Saying he killed him isn't proof it's just an opinion.
You clearly don't comprehend well. Vader attempted to kill him several times as seen in the video. He said he didn't want to kill him but he would. He explicitly said don't make me destroy you, showing that he was perfectly capable and willing to. Also seen in the video he took several shoots that would have killed Luke if Luke hadn't blocked or dodged. Fact.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2So he never said he attempted to kill him at that point this confirming my point. I'm right. You're some bandwagon fanboy.
You clearly don't comprehend well. Vader attempted to kill him several times as seen in the video. He said he didn't want to kill him but he would. He explicitly said don't make me destroy you, showing that he was perfectly capable and willing to. Also seen in the video he took several shoots that would have killed Luke if Luke hadn't blocked or dodged. Fact.