Anakin Skywalker (ROTS) vs Darth Maul

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No he couldnt overcome that.

It just shows kenobi was better. He has many Jedi kills and I believe he is better than Ventress that's why he's the general of the droid army.

Irrelevant as she dead now. They also did have her at their mercy.

Faker. What part of throwing the fight and being a master manipulator don't you understand. He was faking weakness during that point as confirmed by Lucas. So is it speculation he had windu at sword point. Answer this question and I have all I need to know.

I repeat myself because it's the correct response and you deny it. She gave him back his sanity and a good pair of legs and with that his skill. She saved him as proven by the video I sent you.

Kenobi is better than Grievous who isn't that good anyways. No, Sheev allowed him to be there not Ventress who possessed real potential.

It isn't irrelevant since she still did so and both Anakin and Sheev are dead. Maul isn't as of now. 😂

He was faking because he needed anakin's help but he clearly needed it. He's weak and was before his mercy. Lucas also said Windu overcame him aka he didn't throw the fight. No evidence to support that bs theory.

Not after he was cut in half. He survived on his own. Anakin needed to be saved ASAP. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree he couldn't because his skill was shit.

Kenobi is better than Grievous who isn't that good anyways. No, Sheev allowed him to be there not Ventress who possessed real potential.

It isn't irrelevant since she still did so and both Anakin and Sheev are dead. Maul isn't as of now. 😂

He was faking because he needed anakin's help but he clearly needed it. He's weak and was before his mercy. Lucas also said Windu overcame him aka he didn't throw the fight. No evidence to support that bs theory.

Not after he was cut in half. He survived on his own. Anakin needed to be saved ASAP. 😂

His skill is on the level of sidious and yoda. Obi got a tactical advantage, he was below anakin in terms of skill.

Grevious has a skill set worthy that the council believes he is a good enough duelist. Sidious wanted him there because he was vital to his plan just like ventress. Grevious vs ventress on neutral ground on a planet like Naboo Grevious most likely wins the majority unless ventress abuses the force.

Mauls future as stated by sidious is basically erased. Maul might as well be dead, his crime family is done now since the pikes and the black sun gave up on him. He's basically done.

He clearly did not need his help. Sidious could have killed windu of he wanted to. So someone weak can stalemate yoda, kill 3 highly skilled Jedi masters in 10 seconds, have Dooku a renowned duelist and force user need help to take him down, can lift 4-5 senate pods with ease, almost overwhelm yoda in the force, defeat maul and savage with extreme ease, killing savage and having maul at his mercy, stalemate an amped talzin by himself, known as "the most powerful being in the galaxy" by darth maul, able to cloud the entire Jedi council concealing so much force energy right in front of windu and the grandmaster, have windu running for the hills, and convert the chosen one. You call that a weak person? Not really just describing what we see. Still very possible that sidious threw the fight which si supported by evidence.

Yea he just went crazy and was treated like a moth who was attracted to little lightshows. Shows vader suffered worse injuries and the fact that he didn't receive medical treatment ASAP shows his power and durability and streng of will.

Sidious = Yoda > Anakin > Windu = Dooku >> Obi Wan >> Maul > Qui Gon.

Fact

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
His skill is on the level of sidious and yoda. Obi got a tactical advantage, he was below anakin in terms of skill.

Grevious has a skill set worthy that the council believes he is a good enough duelist. Sidious wanted him there because he was vital to his plan just like ventress. Grevious vs ventress on neutral ground on a planet like Naboo Grevious most likely wins the majority unless ventress abuses the force.

Mauls future as stated by sidious is basically erased. Maul might as well be dead, his crime family is done now since the pikes and the black sun gave up on him. He's basically done.

He clearly did not need his help. Sidious could have killed windu of he wanted to. So someone weak can stalemate yoda, kill 3 highly skilled Jedi masters in 10 seconds, have Dooku a renowned duelist and force user need help to take him down, can lift 4-5 senate pods with ease, almost overwhelm yoda in the force, defeat maul and savage with extreme ease, killing savage and having maul at his mercy, stalemate an amped talzin by himself, known as "the most powerful being in the galaxy" by darth maul, able to cloud the entire Jedi council concealing so much force energy right in front of windu and the grandmaster, have windu running for the hills, and convert the chosen one. You call that a weak person? Not really just describing what we see. Still very possible that sidious threw the fight which si supported by evidence.

Yea he just went crazy and was treated like a moth who was attracted to little lightshows. Shows vader suffered worse injuries and the fact that he didn't receive medical treatment ASAP shows his power and durability and streng of will.

He was there for an advantage. He needed him.

Sheev also thought Luke would turn. He's an idiot. Maul is alive at this point.

False and contrary to Lucas's description of the scene. Quit living in a dream world.

Shows vader was weaker and needed Sheev to keep him alive. Maul is greater.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin's skill was never on Sheev or Yoda's level. Bs.

He was there for an advantage. He needed him.

Sheev also thought Luke would turn. He's an idiot. Maul is alive at this point.

False and contrary to Lucas's description of the scene. Quit living in a dream world.

Shows vader was weaker and needed Sheev to keep him alive. Maul is greater.

Have you not seen the ROTS commentary with all the actors directors producers etc. https://youtu.be/syRAP2YOUxI 14:33

Actually it makes since. Like father like son so yes and then under all the pressure of saving his friends and everything else sidious just underestimated him.

No you're just ignorant and don't accept others opinions.

mauls injuries weren't on vader said level. They were much lower. The fact that Anakin a human could withstand that and not get immediate medical assistance and still live si highly impressive. Maul a zabrak a species known for their toughness surging being cut in half while also impressive not as impressive. Maul is below Anakin in every category.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Have you not seen the ROTS commentary with all the actors directors producers etc. https://youtu.be/syRAP2YOUxI 14:33

Actually it makes since. Like father like son so yes and then under all the pressure of saving his friends and everything else sidious just underestimated him.

No you're just ignorant and don't accept others opinions.

mauls injuries weren't on vader said level. They were much lower. The fact that Anakin a human could withstand that and not get immediate medical assistance and still live si highly impressive. Maul a zabrak a species known for their toughness surging being cut in half while also impressive not as impressive. Maul is below Anakin in every category.

Nah, he made a huge critical error and died over it.

Lies.

Mauls injuries were worse. I agree. Cite the sources which Tatar the zabrak species is superior to Homo sapiens.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So what ? Film says otherwise.

Nah, he made a huge critical error and died over it.

Lies.

Mauls injuries were worse. I agree. Cite the sources which Tatar the zabrak species is superior to Homo sapiens.

So this proves Aankin is on their level. Doesn't mean he would win, however he would be able to compete.

No family traits tend to repeat and all the pressure Luke would be under and everything else, you would think he would turn.

Your debates prove me right.

How were they worse than vaders injuries? Look at the guide to alien species. Another thing in which Lucas doesn't go into great detail in is the spices.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So this proves Aankin is on their level. Doesn't mean he would win, however he would be able to compete.

No family traits tend to repeat and all the pressure Luke would be under and everything else, you would think he would turn.

Your debates prove me right.

How were they worse than vaders injuries? Look at the guide to alien species. Another thing in which Lucas doesn't go into great detail in is the spices.

He didn't. Sheev was a moron because Anakin turned. 😂

Post some proof for a change. You're incapable because you're a bad debater.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If he can't win then he isn't on their level.

He's on their level in a Saber match up (according to the stunt coordinator).

But that wouldn't necessarily stop them owning him with TK. Just like Sidious did to Maul.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He's on their level in a Saber match up (according to the stunt coordinator).

But that wouldn't necessarily stop them owning him with TK. Just like Sidious did to Maul.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dooku owned Obi with tk but was unable to do so to Anakin round rots.

What's that supposed to prove?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Films matter not some stunt coordinator. Anakin ain't shit compared to Yoda, Windu, or Sheev.

Saber skills and TK skills are completely different skill sets as confirmed by Dooku in AOTC.

And when did you decide that Anakin ain't shit next to Windu? Lol.

Windu can't TK Stomp Anakin the way Sidious or Yoda can.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What's that supposed to prove?

Saber skills and TK skills are completely different skill sets as confirmed by Dooku in AOTC.

And when did you decide that Anakin ain't shit next to Windu? Lol.

Windu can't TK Stomp Anakin the way Sidious or Yoda can.

I never said otherwise. Sheev, Windu, and Yoda are better with sabers than Anakin who failed to even beat Kenobi with a saber.

Windu beat Sheev while Yoda failed. Facts matter.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Facts matter.

But clearly Context doesn't.

The creators of ROTS completely disagree with your conculsions. So your conclusions are completely invalid.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But clearly Context doesn't.

The creators of ROTS completely disagree with your conculsions. So your conclusions are completely invalid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quote the interviews.

Again? You want it quoted twice in one page? Did you not get it the first time?

Originally posted by quanchi112
We clearly see based off facts that Windu, Sheev, and Yoda are the top dogs of the films saber wise.

Well no, because we didn't see Anakin face off against any of those 3. We did however see him beat Dooku(in Sabers) who fought Yoda in the prior episode (in Sabers). In fact we've seen Anakin match Dooku in Sabers throughout TCW series (which is Canon to the Movies).

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi was sent after Anakin because he wasn't powerful enough to take on Sheev.

Obviously, he wasn't powerful enough to take on Dooku. But that didn't stop Anakin defeating Dooku.

Same way Anakin could possibly defeat Mace.

But not Sidious or Yoda who would TK Stomp Anakin.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Again? You want it quoted twice in one page? Did you not get it the first time?

Well no, because we didn't see Anakin face off against any of those 3. We did however see him beat Dooku(in Sabers) who fought Yoda in the prior episode (in Sabers). In fact we've seen Anakin match Dooku in Sabers throughout TCW series (which is Canon to the Movies).

Obviously, he wasn't powerful enough to take on Dooku. But that didn't stop Anakin defeating Dooku.

Same way Anakin could possibly defeat Mace.

But not Sidious or Yoda who would TK Stomp Anakin.

We see Anakin failed against someone lower than their level so there is absolutely no evidence.

He was more powerful than Dooku as per Sheev's words in the film. I seem to know more about Star Wars facts than you do.

Anything is possible but it isn't likely in a fair one on one fight.

What ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
How can a stunt coordinator override facts ?

What?

The stunt coordinator's opinion > Quanchi's opinion on how the characters Saber skills stack up to each other. Rankings which were discussed with Lucas btw. I suppose Lucas can't override Quanchi's "facts" either?

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see Anakin failed against someone lower than their level so there is absolutely no evidence.

Which the stunt coordinator clearly explains. Anakin is on a higher level to Kenobi as a swordsman. But when fighting each other they're equals because they've sparred so often and know each other's moves inside out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was more powerful than Dooku as per Sheev's words in the film. I seem to know more about Star Wars facts than you do.

You really don't seem to have a clue what you're talking about.

You want the facts according to Kenobi and Sheev himself?

Then Yoda is the most powerful and best combatant out of all the Jedi:

TPM- Kenobi is shocked how Skywalker has greater potential than even Yoda - Not Windu.
AOTC- Kenobi talks about how Anakin has the potential to Rival Master Yoda as a Swordsman - Again no mention of Windu.
AOTC- Sheev tells Anakin he's becoming the most powerful of all the Jedi, Even More Powerful than Master Yoda. Again Windu isn't worth mentioning.
ROTS- Palpatine getting into a fight with Yoda claims Skywalker will become more Powerful than either of them. Again he doesn't say "Will become a better fighter than even Master Windu was" LOL.

In all out fair 1 v 1 combat- Windu is no.3 after Yoda and Sidious. Deal with it.

And though Anakin and Dooku wouldn't stand a chance against Yoda or Sidious, either would have a decent shot at stalemating Windu. Skywalker would actually have a decent shot at defeating him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Anything is possible but it isn't likely in a fair one on one fight.

Nah he's got a decent shot, when as you said yourself, he was more powerful than Dooku. And the stunt coordinator confirms he was a rival to Windu as a swordsman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What ?

You really have a hard concept at separating the fight down to it's different skill sets of Saber, Force and All out.

Anakin (at his best) may rival Windu or Sheev as a swordsman. But he wouldn't stand a chance against Sheev because Sheev would TK stomp him as easily as he did to Maul.

Windu on the other hand.. Skywalker would have a pretty decent shot against him.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What?

The stunt coordinator's opinion > Quanchi's opinion on how the characters Saber skills stack up to each other. Rankings which were discussed with Lucas btw. I suppose Lucas can't override Quanchi's "facts" either?

Which the stunt coordinator clearly explains. Anakin is on a higher level to Kenobi as a swordsman. But when fighting each other they're equals because they've sparred so often and know each other's moves inside out.

You really don't seem to have a clue what you're talking about.

You want the facts according to Kenobi and Sheev himself?

Then Yoda is the most powerful and best combatant out of all the Jedi:

TPM- Kenobi is shocked how Skywalker has greater potential than even Yoda - Not Windu.
AOTC- Kenobi talks about how Anakin has the potential to Rival Master Yoda as a Swordsman - Again no mention of Windu.
AOTC- Sheev tells Anakin he's becoming the most powerful of all the Jedi, Even More Powerful than Master Yoda. Again Windu isn't worth mentioning.
ROTS- Palpatine getting into a fight with Yoda claims Skywalker will become more Powerful than either of them. Again he doesn't say "Will become a better fighter than even Master Windu was" LOL.

In all out fair 1 v 1 combat- Windu is no.3 after Yoda and Sidious. Deal with it.

And though Anakin and Dooku wouldn't stand a chance against Yoda or Sidious, either would have a decent shot at stalemating Windu. Skywalker would actually have a decent shot at defeating him.

Nah he's got a decent shot, when as you said yourself, he was more powerful than Dooku. And the stunt coordinator confirms he was a rival to Windu as a swordsman.

You really have a hard concept at separating the fight down to it's different skill sets of Saber, Force and All out.

Anakin (at his best) may rival Windu or Sheev as a swordsman. But he wouldn't stand a chance against Sheev because Sheev would TK stomp him as easily as he did to Maul.

Windu on the other hand.. Skywalker would have a pretty decent shot against him.

I understand what you're saying here, but let's not act like Windu wasn't known as one of the most powerful duelist and force users during that time or throughout history. He was in fact the master of the Order for a period while Yoda was still there. You used some quotes in your post but failed to list one very relevant. The one where Anakin is talking about Kenobi.. saying he's as wise as yoda and as powerful as Windu. He mentions Mace power.. not Yoda's. So there's that.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I understand what you're saying here, but let's not act like Windu wasn't known as one of the most powerful duelist and force users during that time or throughout history. He was in fact the master of the Order for a period while Yoda was still there. You used some quotes in your post but failed to list one very relevant. The one where Anakin is talking about Kenobi.. saying he's as wise as yoda and as powerful as Windu. He mentions Mace power.. not Yoda's. So there's that.

Because Kenobi isn't Anakin, so could never be as Powerful as Yoda. Doesn't even have the potential to be.

Mace is the No.2 Jedi to Yoda. There's no getting around that.

And I didn't miss it out, because Quanchi brought up what Palpatine said about Anakin being more powerful than Dooku. So I specifically brought up multiple quotes by both Palpatine AND Kenobi (both reliable sources for the respective Orders, whilst Whiny Complaining Padawan Anakin is not as reliable a source) to show how pretty much everyone is in agreement that Yoda is the no.1 Jedi in Power and in Combat.

I would agree that Yoda is No. 1 overall. However, and we've discussed this before, styles make fights my friend. You know as well as I do, that Mace beat Sidious and Yoda did not. While I believe Yoda would've won eventually, he still didn't, while Mace did. So let's be clear that Mace could beat people that Yoda might not be able to thanks to Vaapad