Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, it happens all the time in real life and all the time in comics. Both Thanos and Superman have the power to ko the other.
One of the few times you've made logical sense. Of course somebody stronger can get Ko'd by somebody weaker. You're 100% correct that this happens in real life all the time. Only morons like Abhi who wears a superman onezee out in public doesn't think so.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Grinning doesn't imply that you were not hurt or affected. Some sick people enjoy pain and grin when they feel it.2. Characters are written at different levels at different times. Gladiator doesn't always have planet busting strength in the comics. Colossus even fought him almost on even ground.
3. Superman is far stronger than any high Herald that faced Thanos. Superman is stronger than even the skyfathers of marvel. Comparing Superman to a marvel Herald is fallacious.
4. Thanos has always been affected by high Herald blunt force. Every single time. Thus his average is to be affected by high Herald level blunt force. Since Superman is far stronger and faster then he affects Thanos far worse, far more times, and with far less incidents to him.
So Superman is stronger than Thor with the Power gem huh? Nahh not on average. Thanos falls to less on average than Superman does. This isn't even something that can be contested. If you want to contest it, bring the scans of all of the times that Thanos has been over powered. You can't even compare the two. Things that have flattened Superman would have affected Thanos too, but he remains in the same spot while Superman gets floated to another town. Please tell me of all of the times that Thanos has been brought to his knees vs what brings Superman down. Odin would slap Superman's lights out.
Originally posted by Stoic
So Superman is stronger than Thor with the Power gem huh? Nahh not on average. Thanos falls to less on average than Superman does. This isn't even something that can be contested. If you want to contest it, bring the scans of all of the times that Thanos has been over powered. You can't even compare the two. Things that have flattened Superman would have affected Thanos too, but he remains in the same spot while Superman gets floated to another town. Please tell me of all of the times that Thanos has been brought to his knees vs what brings Superman down. Odin would slap Superman's lights out.
Wth are you talking about? Superman is vastly stronger than Thor. His feats are astronomically more than Thor's. On average he's probably more than 10 times stronger. PG Thor didn't show that he was more than twice as strong as normal Thor. Why are you assuming he was without proof? Because he had the PG? Well Champion and Drax had it too. But they wasn't able to draw power from it efficiently.
Gamora, Namor, Squirrel girl, Captain marvell, Thor, etc
Have beaten the brakes off Thanos. Those beings would have neither budged average Superman or hit blood from him. It's called low showings. Not averages.
Durability doesn't equal strength. Character A can be more durable than B but B is stronger.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you don't know how to prove your case. I thought so, but I just wanted to make sure. That isn't proof. That is proof that Grundy has piss poor durability. Not much else. That isn't proof superman was holding back. In order to do that, you'd need statements from him or somebody else that he was. Something happening to him that weakened him mentally or physically. There are many ways a writer can tell us somebody was holding back or weakened. Very solid proof in fact. Simply KOing or Killing someone isn't what we call solid proof. Wanna know why shoes... common sense again.. that thing you're lacking a lot ofThere's no way to tell, being that Grundy could've been slightly weakening with every punch Superman or Alan landed. Just because he wasn't KO'd doesn't mean he wasn't affected. I know you couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper bag.. but just look for a few MMA or boxing highlights. You'll notice guys taking punches that dont' seem to have an affect on them. They look fine, but they are taking a toll.. and over time.. the guy taking them is getting weaker and weaker. See how that works. So you have no way of proving it wasn't because for that reason that superman was able to land a killing blow. You have absolutely no way of proving that. That why that isn't proof at all. It's your subjective view of the comic, a view nobody cares about.
Again you can't prove superman would've been able to turn the tide. The tide was turned AFTER Alan intervened. You can't say it didn't matter, but that is your buffoonery in full effect. Help ALWAYS matters. Take my real life example that crushes your argument. If you're curbing somebody guy on the ground and been dominating the fight. His friend jumps in and you start exchanging.. You KO him. The guy you were curbing them comes back and one shots you. How on earth is that proof that he's stronger than you? You moron do tell me. You were curbing the guy the entire time, then help comes, then you end up losing. It doesn't matter how good the help was, you got help, and that is all that matters. Without that help, you could've KO'd the guy and he would've never gotten the chance to KO you. You would've kept pounding him till somebody intervened. If you had watched or been in a fight in your life you'd know this. Interference can always change the outcome of a fight. So Alan interfering did exact that, it changed the whole complexion of the fight and you have zero way to prove conclusively otherwise.
I don't know why it's so difficult to understand that KOing or killing somebody doesn't mean you're stronger than them. I've already proven that you can KO or Kill somebody stronger than you. We routinely see this in all combat sports. If you knew a thing about these sports and fighting in general. You would know the strongest guy in the world can get killed by a punch if lands right or he falls wrong.... does that mean the guy who did it is stronger? Of course not, the guy is the strongest in the world. He just happens to have a weak chin. Those are not mutual inclusive things. Granted I know you don't understand these things having never been in one, but still, just try and use your brain for once.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I reported you. Sue me.Post an actual scans about the fight. Don't give a shit about this gibberish.
Prove a weaker being can kill a stronger being in one hit. Until then shut up. Again with insults? Are you some child? I already did. When not holding back, he killed Grundy in one hit. Not koed, killed. Characters don't die from one hit by stronger characters. Does it? He was shrugging off Superman's attacks before and casually shrugged off Alan's attack. Yes it is. Just because you write four paragraphs and shout doesn't changes the fact. Learn to read kid. Again with insults. Thanos was getting feebed by a Weakened Morg. Simply pathetic. And had no effect on him. Yes, I do. Superman actually killed him while Grundy totally overpowered Alan. What didn't happen? Superman killing him in one hit? Sorry kiddo, it already got printed. What we're left is your poor reading skills.
Simply childish at this point. "No matter what, I'm always right".
What are the other instances of Grundy fighting Superman as you claimed? Or are you still sticking with the same lie? And learn how to post a scan kid.
At this point it's just embarrassing for you.
Originally posted by h1a8
Wth are you talking about? Superman is vastly stronger than Thor. His feats are astronomically more than Thor's. On average he's probably more than 10 times stronger. PG Thor didn't show that he was more than twice as strong as normal Thor. Why are you assuming he was without proof? Because he had the PG? Well Champion and Drax had it too. But they wasn't able to draw power from it efficiently.Gamora, Namor, Squirrel girl, Captain marvell, Thor, etc
Have beaten the brakes off Thanos. Those beings would have neither budged average Superman or hit blood from him. It's called low showings. Not averages.Durability doesn't equal strength. Character A can be more durable than B but B is stronger.
Refer or tell me when these characters beat the breaks off of Thanos. You're a liar.We have no idea what or how powerful Squirrel Girl is, and if she can do that to Thanos, I have no doubt that she would do far worse to Superman. The rest of what you wrote, were lies. On average, Superman gets tagged by futuristic prototype tanks in the arctic, and has to take evasive action or be injured. Thanos wades through Odin's power, and stands up to a physical confrontation with Tyrant. Hyperion's highest strength feat shits on many Superman's top feats, but Thano would tear him apart. Your ability to judge power, and average showings is way out of whack.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiExamine? By whom? You?
he didn't do one thing under his power multiversal in that issue.Let's examine shall we...
The war in heaven is what CRACKED and thus opened the door for DS to fall. Ds never in his life caused that crack himself. It was a bi-product of the war itself. Never mind the fact that he also had the ALEThe war in heaven just cracked the reality. It had nothing to do with the multiverse getting dragged down.
ALE which I might add isn't part of DS powerset.. it is also not his to solely use. Others have had it and used it. He wouldn't have been able to win the war without it.ALE merely cracked open the reality. It was Darkseid's fall from the heaven which was dragging down the entire multiverse as shown on panel.Wanna know what else the ALE did that DS didn't do.. It further opens up the crack and continues to cause destruction once it was broadcast. We see this by clear artistic depiction. DS didn't do that.. the ALE being broadcast is.
DS apologist look to DS flushing down the multiverse as if it was his feat.. as if he was exerting his power and causing that. POST A SCAN OF DS USING HIS OWN POWER TO DO SO. No such thing occurred any place in FC. What was causing the multiverse to be flushed down the toilet was DS falling to a place he didn't belong. Much like 616 in marvel.. if you mess with it... it can cause a chain reaction for all universes and timelines. Shit, the entire multiverse can be destroyed simply by messing with the 616 prime universe. Same thing was occurring here. DS falling to a place he didn't belong and the whole harmony of things (him being the representation of evil and needing to exist essentially) So while it might speak to his will power (resisting dying) and what can happen if he's destroyed... that all great and all.. but that isn't DS doing one thing multiverse in the entire comic. Not one.I just posted one. What are you going to do now tough guy?
If DS was trying to crack space.. then that might be something. He wasn't, that wasn't part of his plan. It happened on accident and not by him. Nor did he plan on dying.. that also wasn't part of his plan. All these things happened to happen that he didn't even plan on or want. The ONLY thing impressive about DS in final crisis was his will power. Not much else.
You are again just speaking gibberish. Speak english cave man.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiBasically, it was an ALE feat. 👆
he didn't do one thing under his power multiversal in that issue.Let's examine shall we...
The war in heaven is what CRACKED and thus opened the door for DS to fall. Ds never in his life caused that crack himself. It was a bi-product of the war itself. Never mind the fact that he also had the ALE
ALE which I might add isn't part of DS powerset.. it is also not his to solely use. Others have had it and used it. He wouldn't have been able to win the war without it.
Wanna know what else the ALE did that DS didn't do.. It further opens up the crack and continues to cause destruction once it was broadcast. We see this by clear artistic depiction. DS didn't do that.. the ALE being broadcast is.
DS apologist look to DS flushing down the multiverse as if it was his feat.. as if he was exerting his power and causing that. POST A SCAN OF DS USING HIS OWN POWER TO DO SO. No such thing occurred any place in FC. What was causing the multiverse to be flushed down the toilet was DS falling to a place he didn't belong. Much like 616 in marvel.. if you mess with it... it can cause a chain reaction for all universes and timelines. Shit, the entire multiverse can be destroyed simply by messing with the 616 prime universe. Same thing was occurring here. DS falling to a place he didn't belong and the whole harmony of things (him being the representation of evil and needing to exist essentially) So while it might speak to his will power (resisting dying) and what can happen if he's destroyed... that all great and all.. but that isn't DS doing one thing multiverse in the entire comic. Not one.
If DS was trying to crack space.. then that might be something. He wasn't, that wasn't part of his plan. It happened on accident and not by him. Nor did he plan on dying.. that also wasn't part of his plan. All these things happened to happen that he didn't even plan on or want. The ONLY thing impressive about DS in final crisis was his will power. Not much else.
^ There is no side.
The op is about how many Supermans it'd take to defeat Thanos to mirror his predicament in Secret Wars where the Thors were trying to arrest him.
Instead, fanboys decided to straw-man and derail the thread into a question of lifting strength because they can't even countenance any sort of discussion proceeding where Thanos could take on a single Superman, i.e., every other day on KMC.
Much butthurt. Such butthurt.
Originally posted by StoicSpider-Man is stronger than squirrel girl. Thanos was arrested by cops for crying out loud.
Refer or tell me when these characters beat the breaks off of Thanos. You're a liar.We have no idea what or how powerful Squirrel Girl is, and if she can do that to Thanos, I have no doubt that she would do far worse to Superman. The rest of what you wrote, were lies. On average, Superman gets tagged by futuristic prototype tanks in the arctic, and has to take evasive action or be injured. Thanos wades through Odin's power, and stands up to a physical confrontation with Tyrant. Hyperion's highest strength feat shits on many Superman's top feats, but Thano would tear him apart. Your ability to judge power, and average showings is way out of whack.
Thor beat the shit outta Thanos in IG.
Namor beat blood outta Thanos.
Gamora beat blood outta Thanos.
How did I lie?
Superman would have been less affected by those guys.
Thanos tanking Odin blasts is his highest feat ever. How is that an average? You are basically conning everyone with the low ball high ball trick.
Originally posted by h1a8
Spider-Man is stronger than squirrel girl. Thanos was arrested by cops for crying out loud.Thor beat the shit outta Thanos in IG.
Namor beat blood outta Thanos.
Gamora beat blood outta Thanos.
How did I lie?Superman would have been less affected by those guys.
Thanos tanking Odin blasts is his highest feat ever. How is that an average? You are basically conning everyone with the low ball high ball trick.
Namor got a cheapshot,thanos ended the fight in two blows,oh and namor broke his arm on thanos' face too
Gamora? You mean when thanos was greatly holding back and even faking some of the damage she gave? Gamora noted that he could fight easily if he wanted.
Tanking a blast from odin is not a high end feat...he has no sold black bolt's screams at point blank range,beat up annilus..thanos craps on herald level characters on a daily basis. His durability is one of,if not the highest for non cosmics. He also craps on hyperion whose strength feats rivals if not surpasses supes.he also craps on gladiator who has 'ripped black holes with his hands,and shattered planets with his hits'
This not even counting his own cosmic energy blasts which hurled galan from his ship and a long distance accross it.
You keep using this super speed crap...surfer gets oneshotted by this samd thanos...thanos has reacted to blasts from cosmics and skyfather levels. Supes has been tagged by much 'slower' opponents. It dosent matter whether ur 'faster' than ur opponent...it matters if the opponent's reflexes can keep up..and thanos can easily keep up. Supes couldn't even do much to thanos with his hits anyway,let alone should thanos use his shields.
I am pretty sure thor with the power gem is stronger than supes,that did shit to thanos...a scream from boltagon did nothing...blasts from odin and thanos was fine...
The only thing we dnt have on thanos is lifting feats which he hasn't been forced into any position of the sort..cuz he dosent need anywhere near his full strength to crap on herald levels,nor has he had to lift any notable heavy weight..his lack of 'feats' isn't for trying and failing
Originally posted by h1a8Wtf are you talking about.
Spider-Man is stronger than squirrel girl. Thanos was arrested by cops for crying out loud.Thor beat the shit outta Thanos in IG.
Namor beat blood outta Thanos.
Gamora beat blood outta Thanos.
How did I lie?Superman would have been less affected by those guys.
Thanos tanking Odin blasts is his highest feat ever. How is that an average? You are basically conning everyone with the low ball high ball trick.
Squirrel girl is undefeated and has wins spidey can only dream.
The cops thing is non cannon troll.
Haha Thor did nothing of the sort , have you ever read all third encounters with Thanos lol.
Namor broke his own hand , and got crushed in the process.
Again try learning context behind things before you use them. She did t draw blood plus Thanos held back and faked his injury.
On the point of drawing blood , Thing and She Hulk(iirc) drew blood from WWH with a single punch, still means shit though WWHcurbstomped them.
Originally posted by Insane TitanSo Thanos is not allowed low showings? It's some excuse for this.
Wtf are you talking about.Squirrel girl is undefeated and has wins spidey can only dream.
The cops thing is non cannon troll.
Haha Thor did nothing of the sort , have you ever read all third encounters with Thanos lol.
Namor broke his own hand , and got crushed in the process.
Again try learning context behind things before you use them. She did t draw blood plus Thanos held back and faked his injury.
On the point of drawing blood , Thing and She Hulk(iirc) drew blood from WWH with a single punch, still means shit though WWHcurbstomped them.
Anyway, all of this is nonsense because this argument doesn't prove Thanos is stronger. Thanos can be affected by high Herald level blunt force and Superman is stronger than any high Herald Thanos has faced (by a lot). Thus he can affect him plenty. Speed gives Superman a great advantage. Without it Superman would simply lose.