Thanos vs Supermans

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bashing so soon? This time I didn't even have to mock you.. Post crisis? Yeah. Why don't you tell me of the other times they have fought? He was holding back, yes. [wuote] Grundy taking one two or 20 hits before going down is irrelevant. That only pertains to his durability.

Or posting scans too hard for you smartypants? [/QUOTE]

So you're a clown then. So you've watched a single boxing match or MMA match in your life? Of course you can be stronger than somebody and still get KO'd by them in one hit. Only a buffoon would think otherwise. In fact, this is common place in all combat sports. Durability and strength aren't interchangeable.

I could be feebing and manhandling somebody left and right.. tossing them.. slamming them.. overpowering them when we lock up... Yet that person could still land one punch and KO me.... Yet I clearly proved to be stronger than him. Understand the difference now shoes?

So... what we have in Grundy LITERALLY manhandling supers all over the place like a weak feeb. Superman WITH help eventually KOing him... is not relevant to our discussion.

I already corrected that below... guess reading is not one of your strong suits eh? Nice try though.

I'm still waiting for proof that he was holding back.. please post the proof that he was holding back while getting manhandled. Him koing him later.. doesn't mean he's stronger not that he was holding back before. Prove it.

Of course it matters that Alan stepped in.. That is what turned the tide of the fight. That ALWAYS matters. Prior to that, superman was getting owned. It gave superman the brief time and space to mount a comeback. To even pretend like it made no difference is plainly ignoring the clear presentation of the fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
As if you can actually crush anything.

😂

Just tell me you're making the claim that DS with his own power did anything multiversal and we'll go from there

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

So you're a clown then.

Prior to that, superman was getting owned. It gave superman the brief time and space to mount a comeback. To even pretend like it made no difference is plainly ignoring the clear presentation of the fight.

Shut up already with your misinterpretations. We already know you can't read for shit.

Don't try to wave it so bluntly in everybody's face though.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Just tell me you're making the claim that DS with his own power did anything multiversal and we'll go from there

Just tell me what can you do to "crush" anything about it? Lie and distort things without posting any scans?

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is stronger, more mobile, and vastly quicker with effective freeze breath.
Thanos has the blast edge, shields, and great durability against blasts.
If speed was equalized Thanos would win. But speed gives Superman the edge.

Stronger? No he isn't. Thanos' body can take more, and that means that he is stronger. Steel can take more than a cotton ream of the same or similar thickness, because it's stronger. Just because you don't see Thanos towing planets, does not mean that he does not have the strength to do so. This is based on the guys that he has beaten up being able to actually destroy planets with their bare hands.

In a fight between these two, the speed would be nullified by Thanos' ability to assault Superman's mind, leading to him not being able to actually play a one sided game of tag you're it. You're oversimplifying things. Superman on average would be batted around by Supreme power Hyperion, blasted into a building by Black Bolt, brought to his knees by the force that Thor hitting him across the head, like the time when the Avengers fought Thanos and the Cabal. Thor with the Power Gem would have broke Superman's face or at least KO'd him if he hit him directly in the face.

Thanos choked Supreme power Hyperion to death with a grin on his face. Yeah Superman would win against that version of Hyperion, but not with that kind of ease. I have yet to even begin mentioning his energy form, the very same one that brought a super-amped Annihilus down.

Thanos has and always will be written to be above the likes of Superman on average (which is what we go by). People need to get used to it, because there are simply characters out there that are more powerful than Superman. There's actually a lot that Superman has needed help against.

Originally posted by Stoic
Stronger? No he isn't. Thanos' body can take more, and that means that he is stronger. Steel can take more than a cotton ream of the same or similar thickness, because it's stronger. Just because you don't see Thanos towing planets, does not mean that he does not have the strength to do so. This is based on the guys that he has beaten up being able to actually destroy planets with their bare hands.

This argument is badly flawed.

Superior durabilty does not equate to superior strength.

Logan has superior durability to Spider-Man but not superior strength.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
This argument is badly flawed.

Superior durabilty does not equate to superior strength.

Logan has superior durability to Spider-Man but not superior strength.

Logan's durability is scientifically, and structurally enhanced beyond his norm, or natural state. There is a huge difference. Let's stop trying to slap on the blinders and falsely hitting go. Thanos is entirely different. We all saw how Gladiator was overcome by the brute strength of Annihilus, and then we turn around to see Thanos overpowering Annihilus physically. Thanos has a direct strength feat that shows that he is overwhelmingly strong.

Gladiator has destroyed a planet of panel by using his strength. I guess the next double standard will come by way of people stating that Thanos can't no sell High Herald level blows. Well guess what? Superman has been punched from state to state by Major Force. This is a guy that would hit Thanos, and make him grin, not be launched to Maine from Vermont.So in order to adhere to the forum ruling of averages holding more weight than the once in a while super feat, Thanos has always been written as a character that High Heralds/top tiers need help to take down.

Superman on average is affected by punches from Aquaman. Thanos stands in front of Thor, and allows him to hammer him in the face, only to turn around and grin.

Spiderman is more durable than Wolverine, Wolverine just have a healing factor that makes him more fomidable at taking hits. Healing Factor and super durability are two different things.

Fine, Brit from Image then lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I already warned you about insults. Reported for repeated insulting. Koed is one thing. Getting killed in one hit? That doesn't happen in comics to a stronger being by a weaker being.

Don't be inane.

Could that punch kill you? Yes or no.

So you're just going to ignore everything but your own interpretation. Seems right down your alley. And Superman didn't just KO him. He flat out killed him in one punch. But that's not taken into account because you can't read for shit.

Like I said I don't try to make sense of your posts. Its such a hard thing to do.

Killing him does. Post one scan of a weaker being killing a stronger being with one hit. I'll wait.

He just hit Grundy once and tried to imprison Grundy who overpowered him casually. After that Superman killed him in one hit. So no, it didn't turned the tide.

Shut up already with your misinterpretations. We already know you can't read for shit.

Don't try to wave it so bluntly in everybody's face though.

So it's more of the bumbling moron routine then. Go ahead and report me... your posts are littered with insults. I actually prefer those to your lack of common sense and being able to interpret a fight sequence

False comparison. Comic book characters have super strength along with many powers and abilities. Being able to kill people with said abilities is one thing, a normal human being able to replicate that are another. Humans don't kill people in one punch. That would be the rarest of exceptions. KOing them is more equivalent to the discussion. Which again proves my point rather clearly you buffoon. People stronger than others are KO'd all the time. This is common place in boxing and MMA. That is the overriding logic we need to use here. Is shows and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you can be stronger than somebody but still get KO'd in one punch. Grundy's durability doesn't have ONE THING TO DO WITH WHO'S STRONGER BETWEEN THE TWO. Grundy already proved that by manhandling him like a weak feeb. Something we rarely, rarely ever see done to Thanos.

YOU MADE THE CLAIM, YOU NEED TO PROVE IT CLOWNSHOES. You made the claim supes was holding back. The onus is then on you to prove that case. Which of course you've failed to do miserably. To expose how desperate and how pitiful your proof is. Look no further than what you said. He was holding back, cause look, he KO'd Grundy in one punch. Wut?? How moronic can you be. That doesn't PROVE he was holding back. That only proves Grundy's durability is better damn pathetic. Nothing more. By no means is that PROOF of him holding back. I can clearly tell you've never tried to present or make a case if that is what you call proof.

Again with the moron routine. HELP ALWAYS MATTERS. Superman was getting feeb like the pathetic weakling he is compared to Thanos'. THEN Alan intervened. Then Supes lands the killing blow. You have ZERO way to prove that Supes would've been able to turn the tides on his own with Alan's help. Wanna know why you can't prove that? Because it didn't happen buffoon. Alan DID step in to help, so we have no way of knowing whether supes would've turned the tides on his own. So what we are left with is

Grundy feebing superman all over the place. Essentially treating him like a child.

Superman is unable to mount any kinda of offense AT ALL, until Alan intervenes and helps supes.

Then and only then was supes able to land the killing blow on Grundy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just tell me what can you do to "crush" anything about it? Lie and distort things without posting any scans?

So are you claiming DS did anything multiversal under his own power? Simple question

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So it's more of the bumbling moron routine then. Go ahead and report me... your posts are littered with insults. I actually prefer those to your lack of common sense and being able to interpret a fight sequence

Grundy feebing superman all over the place. Essentially treating him like a child.

Superman is unable to mount any kinda of offense AT ALL, until Alan intervenes and helps supes.

Then and only then was supes able to land the killing blow on Grundy.

Simply childish at this point. "No matter what, I'm always right".

What are the other instances of Grundy fighting Superman as you claimed? Or are you still sticking with the same lie? And learn how to post a scan kid.

At this point it's just embarrassing for you.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So are you claiming DS did anything multiversal under his own power? Simple question

😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I reported you. Sue me.

Post an actual scans about the fight. Don't give a shit about this gibberish.

Prove a weaker being can kill a stronger being in one hit. Until then shut up. Again with insults? Are you some child? I already did. When not holding back, he killed Grundy in one hit. Not koed, killed. Characters don't die from one hit by stronger characters. Does it? He was shrugging off Superman's attacks before and casually shrugged off Alan's attack. Yes it is. Just because you write four paragraphs and shout doesn't changes the fact. Learn to read kid. Again with insults. Thanos was getting feebed by a Weakened Morg. Simply pathetic. And had no effect on him. Yes, I do. Superman actually killed him while Grundy totally overpowered Alan. What didn't happen? Superman killing him in one hit? Sorry kiddo, it already got printed. What we're left is your poor reading skills.

Simply childish at this point. "No matter what, I'm always right".

What are the other instances of Grundy fighting Superman as you claimed? Or are you still sticking with the same lie? And learn how to post a scan kid.

At this point it's just embarrassing for you.

So you don't know how to prove your case. I thought so, but I just wanted to make sure. That isn't proof. That is proof that Grundy has piss poor durability. Not much else. That isn't proof superman was holding back. In order to do that, you'd need statements from him or somebody else that he was. Something happening to him that weakened him mentally or physically. There are many ways a writer can tell us somebody was holding back or weakened. Very solid proof in fact. Simply KOing or Killing someone isn't what we call solid proof. Wanna know why shoes... common sense again.. that thing you're lacking a lot of

There's no way to tell, being that Grundy could've been slightly weakening with every punch Superman or Alan landed. Just because he wasn't KO'd doesn't mean he wasn't affected. I know you couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper bag.. but just look for a few MMA or boxing highlights. You'll notice guys taking punches that dont' seem to have an affect on them. They look fine, but they are taking a toll.. and over time.. the guy taking them is getting weaker and weaker. See how that works. So you have no way of proving it wasn't because for that reason that superman was able to land a killing blow. You have absolutely no way of proving that. That why that isn't proof at all. It's your subjective view of the comic, a view nobody cares about.

Again you can't prove superman would've been able to turn the tide. The tide was turned AFTER Alan intervened. You can't say it didn't matter, but that is your buffoonery in full effect. Help ALWAYS matters. Take my real life example that crushes your argument. If you're curbing somebody guy on the ground and been dominating the fight. His friend jumps in and you start exchanging.. You KO him. The guy you were curbing them comes back and one shots you. How on earth is that proof that he's stronger than you? You moron do tell me. You were curbing the guy the entire time, then help comes, then you end up losing. It doesn't matter how good the help was, you got help, and that is all that matters. Without that help, you could've KO'd the guy and he would've never gotten the chance to KO you. You would've kept pounding him till somebody intervened. If you had watched or been in a fight in your life you'd know this. Interference can always change the outcome of a fight. So Alan interfering did exact that, it changed the whole complexion of the fight and you have zero way to prove conclusively otherwise.

I don't know why it's so difficult to understand that KOing or killing somebody doesn't mean you're stronger than them. I've already proven that you can KO or Kill somebody stronger than you. We routinely see this in all combat sports. If you knew a thing about these sports and fighting in general. You would know the strongest guy in the world can get killed by a punch if lands right or he falls wrong.... does that mean the guy who did it is stronger? Of course not, the guy is the strongest in the world. He just happens to have a weak chin. Those are not mutual inclusive things. Granted I know you don't understand these things having never been in one, but still, just try and use your brain for once.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, what are you going to do about it? Lie again like always, write some paragraphs and insult everybody without posting a single scan as a proof?

😂

he didn't do one thing under his power multiversal in that issue.

Let's examine shall we...

The war in heaven is what CRACKED and thus opened the door for DS to fall. Ds never in his life caused that crack himself. It was a bi-product of the war itself. Never mind the fact that he also had the ALE

ALE which I might add isn't part of DS powerset.. it is also not his to solely use. Others have had it and used it. He wouldn't have been able to win the war without it.

Wanna know what else the ALE did that DS didn't do.. It further opens up the crack and continues to cause destruction once it was broadcast. We see this by clear artistic depiction. DS didn't do that.. the ALE being broadcast is.

DS apologist look to DS flushing down the multiverse as if it was his feat.. as if he was exerting his power and causing that. POST A SCAN OF DS USING HIS OWN POWER TO DO SO. No such thing occurred any place in FC. What was causing the multiverse to be flushed down the toilet was DS falling to a place he didn't belong. Much like 616 in marvel.. if you mess with it... it can cause a chain reaction for all universes and timelines. Shit, the entire multiverse can be destroyed simply by messing with the 616 prime universe. Same thing was occurring here. DS falling to a place he didn't belong and the whole harmony of things (him being the representation of evil and needing to exist essentially) So while it might speak to his will power (resisting dying) and what can happen if he's destroyed... that all great and all.. but that isn't DS doing one thing multiverse in the entire comic. Not one.

If DS was trying to crack space.. then that might be something. He wasn't, that wasn't part of his plan. It happened on accident and not by him. Nor did he plan on dying.. that also wasn't part of his plan. All these things happened to happen that he didn't even plan on or want. The ONLY thing impressive about DS in final crisis was his will power. Not much else.

Originally posted by Stoic
Logan's durability is scientifically, and structurally enhanced beyond his norm, or natural state. There is a huge difference. Let's stop trying to slap on the blinders and falsely hitting go. Thanos is entirely different. We all saw how Gladiator was overcome by the brute strength of Annihilus, and then we turn around to see Thanos overpowering Annihilus physically. Thanos has a direct strength feat that shows that he is overwhelmingly strong.

Gladiator has destroyed a planet of panel by using his strength. I guess the next double standard will come by way of people stating that Thanos can't no sell High Herald level blows. Well guess what? Superman has been punched from state to state by Major Force. This is a guy that would hit Thanos, and make him grin, not be launched to Maine from Vermont.So in order to adhere to the forum ruling of averages holding more weight than the once in a while super feat, Thanos has always been written as a character that High Heralds/top tiers need help to take down.

Superman on average is affected by punches from Aquaman. Thanos stands in front of Thor, and allows him to hammer him in the face, only to turn around and grin.

How many more examples of characters having superior durability and inferior strength would you need to see in order to concede?

Gladiator is a horrendous charater to use an example.

If you find gaining an average for Superman to be cherry picking on my part then CERTAINLY the same goes for Kallark. His range is all over the place.

As for Superman and Aquaman, you don't think that is an example of restraint on Clarks part?

Gamora and Namor drew blood from Thanos if you want to apply that standard.

Let me ask you this LOB... do you believe a weaker guy can KO a stronger guy?

Originally posted by Stoic
Logan's durability is scientifically, and structurally enhanced beyond his norm, or natural state. There is a huge difference. Let's stop trying to slap on the blinders and falsely hitting go. Thanos is entirely different. We all saw how Gladiator was overcome by the brute strength of Annihilus, and then we turn around to see Thanos overpowering Annihilus physically. Thanos has a direct strength feat that shows that he is overwhelmingly strong.

Gladiator has destroyed a planet of panel by using his strength. I guess the next double standard will come by way of people stating that Thanos can't no sell High Herald level blows. Well guess what? Superman has been punched from state to state by Major Force. This is a guy that would hit Thanos, and make him grin, not be launched to Maine from Vermont.So in order to adhere to the forum ruling of averages holding more weight than the once in a while super feat, Thanos has always been written as a character that High Heralds/top tiers need help to take down.

Superman on average is affected by punches from Aquaman. Thanos stands in front of Thor, and allows him to hammer him in the face, only to turn around and grin.

1. Grinning doesn't imply that you were not hurt or affected. Some sick people enjoy pain and grin when they feel it.

2. Characters are written at different levels at different times. Gladiator doesn't always have planet busting strength in the comics. Colossus even fought him almost on even ground.

3. Superman is far stronger than any high Herald that faced Thanos. Superman is stronger than even the skyfathers of marvel. Comparing Superman to a marvel Herald is fallacious.

4. Thanos has always been affected by high Herald blunt force. Every single time. Thus his average is to be affected by high Herald level blunt force. Since Superman is far stronger and faster then he affects Thanos far worse, far more times, and with far less incidents to him.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Let me ask you this LOB... do you believe a weaker guy can KO a stronger guy?

Basically this is the faulty logic of Thanos.

P1: Superman ~ marvel Heralds (in strength)
P2:Thanos >>marvel Heralds (in strength)

C:Thus Thanos >>Superman in strength

P1 is false which leads to the faulty conclusion.