Thanos vs Supermans

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you didn't read final crisis then... Cool... I was starting to think that anyways.

What you can't get around was DS did NONE of that on his own. IF he was able to crack reality on his own.. and then (without dying mind you) is able to drag the multiverse down through his power.. sure that would be great... ONLY THAT NEVER HAPPENED. That is why it's not the least bit impressive really. Think about it, I know this is hard for you to do, but try.

1. If DS can't crack reality on his own, then how could he drag the multiverse down with him? Simple question. if you claim he can, you need to prove it. If you can't, than you can't claim it was a feat for DS... He wouldn't even be able to get to the point of dragging down anything with cracking reality. If he can't crack reality he could do absolutely nothing

2. DS wasn't planning on falling... that WASN'T part of his plan. He was killed, and thus decided, f this i'm not going down without a fight. Cool. However, he didn't actively try and fall, THAT WAS HIS PLAN. It just happened and DS went with it. IF he was able to just bring down the multiverse ON HIS OWN, that would be impressive. Only he wasn't was he?

1. He needed others to crack reality
2. He needed the ALE to further crack reality
3. He needed somebody to kill him in order for him to call

NONE of the above did DS do or plan. Thus, THE most important factors in the multiverse getting flushed down the toilet DS DIDN"T DO ONE THING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN NOR PLAN ON IT HAPPENING.
Now either post the evidence to back up your claim or concede DS did nothing multiversal by his own power in FC

Why don't you post a scan supporting your theory? Until then you're just whining and rambling like a punk.

I dare you to post a single scan.

If you don't, I will accept your Concession. Again.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well I'm not sure if you did or didn't this time, but you have in the past post space cheese feats to support superman's strength against other characters. In fact, another Superman fanboy (LOB), did just that in this very thread and posted the bench pressing earth feat and asked to see a thanos feat like it. That's the idiocy I'm dealing with here.

Right, and when you go by combat situations, Thanos crushes superman in strength and it's really not that close. Sure, if you only go by superman's high showings, sure I'd be pretty close. I would make such a concession with it being able to go either way. Problem is, we don't just go by high feats. We count them all. When you do so, the picture becomes very very different. It becomes a picture of Thanos clearly being stronger than superman. You can't get Feeb'd the amount of times Superman has, and have very little of thanos EVER getting Feeb'd and then claim superman is stronger.

I could show a five year old a video of one guy kicking some butt, having some good wins, but also getting feeb'd numerous times. Then show him another guy, almost always winning, rarely if ever getting Feeb'd... and you're damn right that 5 year old would say fighter B is clearly stronger. I mean it's really that easy. if superman didn't have a documented history of getting feeb'd, that would be different, only he does and that can't be changed.

You didn't answer my question, which again you avoided. Do comics in anyway mirror real life. Punches, dialogue, emotions, plot, drama, etc etc? Are they in any way similar? if you say yes, which you'd have to if you're being honest, then why not combat situations as well. We know they do mirror real life.. we see punches, kicks, throws, tackles.. shit we even see armbars and other submission holds. So those all come from real life, but somehow, weaker guys KOing stronger guys never made it.. even though that is very much a reality and fact in real life. Sorry, that is illogical.

So you concede weaker guys can KO bigger guys... then why can't they kill them? Do you know what being concussed means? If so, why wouldn't a little more brain drama and death be possible? It would be.

Lastly, and there is no getting around this, you can't prove that those hits from superman and Allan didn't have an effect on me. Are you claiming that people don't get weaker and weaker the more they are punched? So superman could've simply just reached the point with that one punch that put Grundy's durability over the top. He'd been dealing with blows and eventually they took their tool. Now PROVE, that this wasn't the case. Which again, would perfectly fit your (wrong) theory that weaker guys can't kill stronger ones in one hit. Cool, it didn't take one hit, it took multiple hits from two people. The last hit killing him, was just the finishing blow. Or are you claiming you can prove grundy wasn't affected by the initial punches at all and his durability wasn't slowly deteriorating? Prove it.

Or I'll accept your Concession that you have no proof and is simply wasting my time with BS.

I again Dare you punk.

Smh

Originally posted by abhilegend
So repeating yourself again without any proof whatsoever?

Why don't you post a scan supporting your theory? Until then you're just whining and rambling like a punk.

I dare you to post a single scan.

If you don't, I will accept your Concession. Again.
Post a scan for your theory.

Or I'll accept your Concession that you have no proof and is simply wasting my time with BS.

I again Dare you punk.

I've already accepted your concession. You failed to answer my question..

Do comics mirror real life combat situations.. punches.. kicks.. throws.. submission holds? If so, and we know weaker guys have beaten more powerful guys. That is also a mirror of real life... Why wouldn't weaker guys be able to kill a stronger guy.. which again happens in real life?

You also failed to prove that the punches and shots supes and help landed before supes final blow had no decreasing effect on his durability. We see this as a common thing in real life and comics. true or false ?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Starlin stated that the depictions of Thanos outside of his writing were in direct contrast with his vision of the character. In particular was the issue of what he considered unnecessary taking of life.

Starlin's reponse was to retcon the issues in question.

What did I miss about Starlin's opinion?

The answer is nothing but I'll like seeing you trying to rage your way out of it.

He openly admitted he like Giffen's, Abnett/Lanning and Hickmans writing of Thanos.

So yeah you need to check your facts as usual as he has retconned now of that.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
In fact, another Superman fanboy (LOB), did just that in this very thread and posted the bench pressing earth feat and asked to see a thanos feat like it. That's the idiocy I'm dealing with here.

"Idiocy"

True idiocy is demonstrated by the following in this thread.

Let's count the ways

1) Inability to make distinctions

In Thanosi's great wisdom he is still incapable of recognizing what mental blocks and going all out means. Superman restrained is the one he conveniently references to support an illegitimate argument. The depictions of the character going all out as Thanos does is in his words " Cherry picking" and "Not making sense".

2) Flawed logic

Thanosi claims The Emo eggplant is stronger because he gets "Feebed" less.Another asinine claim as it doesn't reference strength exclusively and being stronger is the point of contention. Thanos to my knowledge has never physically overwhelmed top tier characters by strength alone.

I'll wait for Thanosi's rational and reasonable response to these claims.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
More bullshit and lies.

He openly admitted he like Giffen's, Abnett/Lanning and Hickmans writing of Thanos.

So yeah you need to check your facts as usual as he has retconned now of that.

So what?

None of that negates anything that I've said.

Starlin not retconning what he likes is indicative of what exactly?

Man, your post and logic are laughable.

😂

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
So what?

None of that negates anything that I've said.

Starlin not retconning what he likes is indicative of what exactly?

Man, your post and logic are laughable.

😂

You said he retconned EVERYTHING that went the characters progression IE not killing people, yet that's what Hickmans Thanos was/is about. Starlin hasn't retconned that, so yeah you're wrong as usual.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Showing your stupidity again I see.

You said he retconned EVERYTHING that went the characters progression IE not killing people, yet that's what Hickmans Thanos was/is about. Starlin hasn't retconned that, so yeah you're wrong as usual.

Your rage is impairing your already limited intellect.

The statement refers to, QUITE OBVIOUSLY, the Thanosi rectons and his justification for it.

Had Hickman written Thanos at the time of the retcon?

NO!

So in essence you're arguing that Starlin didn't retcon Hickman's work as a sign of affirmation when said work didn't even exist!

😂

You are comedy gold.

What are you two discussing?

Originally posted by krisblaze
What are you two discussing?

The Thanosi retcon by Starlin and his justifications for it. In an interview, Starlin, stated that the depiction of Thanos as a murderer went against his vision of the character. The Mad Titan in his opinion had progressed to the point that he would avoid taking life as much as possible.

Insane Titan then jumps in and claims I don't know what I'm talking about and uses a supposed endorsement of Hickman's Thanos to disprove what I said.

Hickman of course never touched the character at the time of the Thanosi retcons making his "Argument" laughably moot.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
"Idiocy"

True idiocy is demonstrated by the following in this thread.

Let's count the ways

1) [b]Inability to make distinctions

In Thanosi's great wisdom he is still incapable of recognizing what mental blocks and going all out means. Superman restrained is the one he conveniently references to support an illegitimate argument. The depictions of the character going all out as Thanos does is in his words " Cherry picking" and "Not making sense".

2) Flawed logic

Thanosi claims The Emo eggplant is stronger because he gets "Feebed" less.Another asinine claim as it doesn't reference strength exclusively and being stronger is the point of contention. Thanos to my knowledge has never physically overwhelmed top tier characters by strength alone.

I'll wait for Thanosi's rational and reasonable response to these claims. [/B]

Total misrepresentation of the discussion at hand. I accept you concession that Thanos' showings were official rectons. Something that never happened to superman' showings were he got feeb. So I accept your concession on that matter.. Now...

You wanted to characterize the argument to only those times YOU believe he was going all out. That is a complete waste of time. I hate to break this to you, but nobody cause about your opinion on when superman is going all out or not. Further, we aren't interested in you "trying" to figure out when Thanos is going all out. You literally have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to thanos. You claim he goes all out all the time.. this couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, it's the opposite really. Notice his fights with Surfer.. Thor... BRB... Ronan and others as examples.. Thanos often times is smiling.. laughing at them... telling them is that all you got hit me or blast me again. That isn't somebody going all out, that is the total opposite of that. Every single time he's met these people he's messed with them.. acted like they were mere nuisances... Nothing he's taking too seriously. This is I stark contrast when he meets people above him.. Like Tyrant.. Odin.. Walker... Galactus etc etc... he's not asking them to hit him again.. he's not making jokes. He knows they are a threat and he acts accordingly. The is in STARK contrast to how he deals with heralds. he literally acts like they are kids. So your whole characterization of the him all wrong and not in touch with reality. Yet, you want me to sit here and watch you try and decipher when YOU believe Superman is going all out... when you can't even do it with Thanos... sorry bud, you lose this argument

I'm referencing him getting feeb'd because that is what has happened to him numerous times. He's gotten PHYSCIALLY tossed around. That's being feeb'd. Feebing isn't using energy attacks. never once did I reference such a thing. Thanos physically manhandled Lord Mar-vell... No energy attacks needed. Same thing when Thanos encountered hulk and Thing.. He literally PHYSICALLY overpowered them at the same time and said "you call yourself strong, I'm strength personified" That's two strong guys at marvel at the same time. He wrestled drax on a planet and it exploded from the forces they were exerting on one another. The surfer beatdown was with punches. Has a storied history of not getting feeb'd and tossed around. It is literally that simple and well documented. To try and pretend otherwise is laughable.

The facts are these... Superman no matter how you view it.. averages.. total times.. in every way has gotten feeb'd more than thanos.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you claiming every writer has written superman to have mental blocks fluctuating his strength? If not, then your question is moot. We know plenty of writers haven't written him that way. Most of his writers for Superman's history haven't written him that way. So why would I focus on specific writers who have written him that way and try and analyze those select cases? Talk about an exercise in futility. That is what and why I'm not interested in. I'm not interested in deciphering in which comics he had mental blocks and how much of a mental block etc etc. The most important thing is this.. There's a threat.. Superman tries to put that thread down and tries to do so. That's it.

They do not, there has been no such recton... Post the official rectons from DC and which speak issues they recton. I'll await your proof.

BTW, don't think I didn't notice you avoiding my question to you.. Can flash and zoom beat Galactus or Eternity ?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
They do not, there has been no such recton... Post the official rectons from DC and which speak issues they recton. I'll await your proof.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
They do not, there has been no such recton... Post the official rectons from DC and which speak issues they recton. I'll await your proof.

BTW, don't think I didn't notice you avoiding my question to you.. Can flash and zoom beat Galactus or Eternity ?

A FC zoom or flash can definitely beat Galactus.

OWAW explained the whole issue of Superman's subconscious mental blocks (read especially the issues of Mongols training), which is supported by the issue with Batman explaining the difference of Superman and Supergirl, and further supported by DOS.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I've already accepted your concession. You failed to answer my question..

Do comics mirror real life combat situations.. punches.. kicks.. throws.. submission holds? If so, and we know weaker guys have beaten more powerful guys. That is also a mirror of real life... Why wouldn't weaker guys be able to kill a stronger guy.. which again happens in real life?

You also failed to prove that the punches and shots supes and help landed before supes final blow had no decreasing effect on his durability. We see this as a common thing in real life and comics. true or false ?

I accept your concession punk that you can only talk big and have no proof backing you up.

Remember this crushing.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

I'll add a few more

Titus
Konvict
Despero
Zod

Titus is non-continuity.
Superman in this story was also particularly weak. Wonder Woman's jet was faster than him. lol.

Zod? The Russian Zod? He broke Superman's jaw? And later when they actually fought, Zod was no match for him, and got his neck snapped?
Or the Zod he owned in the Phantom Zone paradise reality Superman created?
Or maybe you mean Zod from from New Krypton, who also wasn't as powerful as Superman?

Konvict? Did what? Knocked Superman down at the end of an issue, and at the beginning of the next, as soon as you see him, he's up and fighting again?

As for your conversation with Abhi on Final Crisis, the amount of goalpost moving is hilarious.
He mentions a Superman feat.
You say he didn't do it.
He shows the scans.
You say Darkseid's fall from a higher dimension didn't do it.
He shows the scans.
You say well he didn't do it on purpose!

lol.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Your rage is impairing your already limited intellect.

The statement refers to, QUITE OBVIOUSLY, the Thanosi rectons and his justification for it.

Had Hickman written Thanos at the time of the retcon?

[B]NO!

So in essence you're arguing that Starlin didn't retcon Hickman's work as a sign of affirmation when said work didn't even exist!

😂

You are comedy gold. [/B]

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The Thanosi retcon by Starlin and his justifications for it. In an interview, Starlin, stated that the depiction of Thanos as a murderer went against his vision of the character. The Mad Titan in his opinion had progressed to the point that he would avoid taking life as much as possible.

Insane Titan then jumps in and claims I don't know what I'm talking about and uses a supposed endorsement of Hickman's Thanos to disprove what I said.

Hickman of course never touched the character at the time of the Thanosi retcons making his "Argument" laughably moot.

This seems only tangentially related to this thread.

Why don't you two discuss how many Supermen it would take to beat Thanos?

Originally posted by krisblaze
This seems only tangentially related to this thread.

Why don't you two discuss how many Supermen it would take to beat Thanos?