Thanos vs Supermans

Originally posted by h1a8
Beating someone in a tp fight doesn't mean you can mindrape at all. It means that you can't get mindraped easily. If Thanos actually mindraped her then you would have a point.
Thanos entered the mind of Galactus with Moondragons help. They prepared a mental plane (prep). Thus it's not a feat at all

The writer didn't have Surfer use his speed or reflexes when fighting Thanos because of the plot.

The tier system doesn't
prove who wins in a fight. lower tier character can possibly
beat a higher tier character.

False, Thanos hasn't withstood blunt forces above a single Earth weight. Superman has exerted forces above 50 Earth weights multiple times. Plus Superman has withstood forces greater than anything Thanos has shown to output. But we all know that's not going to fly here.

Superman can see Thanos move in super slow motion. He can easily avoid attacks or attack before Thanos attacks. Superman has the ability to go intangible.

You know nothing about Thanos. Every encounter he had against Herald blunt force he was affected and hurt. Not once did he no sell a high Herald blunt force attack. Superman's feats of strength is beyond anything Thanos endured, and his feats of durability is beyond anything Thanos has dished out.

1) Its clear you have no idea what you are talking about,anyone with tp can mindrape. Fighting a tp battle and winning means your telepathic skills are superior to ur opponent,who in this case is moon dragon..he didn't mindwipe her because she is one of the most powerful telepaths in marvel and she had the mind gem...superman is astronomically below her in any form of tp,if thanos KO'd her with TP,he would fry superman with it as well. How are u even debating this fact?

2) Or maybe thanos,being far superior to surfer,is fast enough to make surfer look slow? Or his reflexes are able to easily keep up with surfer and fallen one? This plot crap dosent help your argument at all

3)50 earth weights? You are saying superman's punches are capable of 50 earth weights tons of force? Now I know you are delusional...and thanos has taken blasts from odin..who absolutely shits on supes in any category. I guess you also ignored the scan of thanos hurting the inbetweener with a punch

4)Every fight with a herald has him bitchslapping them like flies...and I am the one posting the feats. You can keep yapping

Originally posted by Genii96
Every fight with a herald has him bitchslapping them like flies...and I am the one posting the feats. You can keep yapping

Superman is good and all, among the top 3 high heralds in any company. But Thanos is simply above him, or Surfer, or Thor.

Originally posted by zopzop
I mean seriously. How is this even being debated?

Superman is good and all, among the top 3 high heralds in any company. But Thanos is simply above him, or Surfer, or Thor.

How far above is The Emo Eggplant when Superman has his blocks removed and is going all out?

Originally posted by Juntai
Despero powered up by Pytar [power of his entire race, and entire planet, etc], or Despero that Superman just hit with heat vision and dropped in one shot?

Titus is non-continuity.
Superman in this story was also particularly weak. Wonder Woman's jet was faster than him. lol.

Zod? The Russian Zod? He broke Superman's jaw? And later when they actually fought, Zod was no match for him, and got his neck snapped?
Or the Zod he owned in the Phantom Zone paradise reality Superman created?
Or maybe you mean Zod from from New Krypton, who also wasn't as powerful as Superman?

Konvict? Did what? Knocked Superman down at the end of an issue, and at the beginning of the next, as soon as you see him, he's up and fighting again?

As for your conversation with Abhi on Final Crisis, the amount of goalpost moving is hilarious.
He mentions a Superman feat.
You say he didn't do it.
He shows the scans.
You say Darkseid's fall from a higher dimension didn't do it.
He shows the scans.
You say well he didn't do it on purpose!

lol.

Moving the goalposts? My stance has been the same from my original post on the topic. DS did NOTHING multiversal on his own. Abhi posting a scan of DS dragging down the multiverse means very little in the overall aspect of things.

Think about it, if DS was Multiversal and can just drag down the multiverse when he wants.... Why hasn't he ever done so. Why even bother with the plots and things he's bothered with if he could simply wave his hand and drag down the multiverse? He wouldn't, but there is a clear reason why he does bother, BECAUSE HE CAN'T DO A THING TO THE MULTIVERSE ON HIS OWN. You act like he can just fall whenever he wants.. he can't or prove he can. We don't just assume he can.

The reality is, the needed a crack in reality to fall anywhere... something HE DIDN'T CAUSE. As I stated earlier, if you can't open the door to walk in the house, who cares what you do in the house. You couldn't do a thing without being able to open the door. Guess what, DS couldn't open the door on his own. He needed two different things cracking reality, NONE of which was his power to do so.

Further, he couldn't even drag down the multiverse WITH reality cracked open... HE HAD TO DIE in order to fall to a place he didn't belong. Again which illustrates the point that he's not multiversal. If he was, why would he have to die to be able to do anything multiversal? You wouldn't, you could just do it. Guess what, DS wasn't able to just do anything. He had to die first, and that wasn't even part of his plan or goal, it just happened.

My stance couldn't be more consistent

Originally posted by abhilegend
So repeating yourself again without any proof whatsoever?

Why don't you post a scan supporting your theory? Until then you're just whining and rambling like a punk.

I dare you to post a single scan.

If you don't, I will accept your Concession. Again.
Post a scan for your theory.

Or I'll accept your Concession that you have no proof and is simply wasting my time with BS.

I again Dare you punk.

I've already accepted your concession on the matter. You can't back up your claim that Comics don't mirror real life in many aspects. Such as punching.. kicking.. submissions... KO's... people getting killed.. plot... emotions... We could go on for days of the similarities. You can't get around this point, which is why you keep avoiding it like the plague. Let me get your stance straight here

1. You're saying you can prove Grundy wasn't be affected by his prior damage taken and that didn't have an impact on his pverall durability. IF that is your stance, you need to prove it. Or are you conceding it's possible it did have an affect on him?

2. Are you claiming it's not possible for a weaker guy to Ko or Kill a stronger guy after enough punches?

Why would Darkseid start a huge war with New Genesis when it wouldn't gain him anything? He started the war because he gained the ALE right? He is in a higher dimension and the war 'he' started cracked reality and his real self fell through, something that's never happened.. He was falling and his shadow was cast upon the entire multiverse. Its 2015, 7 years after FC, its time to admit what Darkseid did.

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Jesus has it been 7 years? Wow.

This is retarded.
Give some of these superman fans an inch and they want to take the entire cawk

Originally posted by kevdude
Why would Darkseid start a huge war with New Genesis when it wouldn't gain him anything? He started the war because he gained the ALE right? He is in a higher dimension and the war 'he' started cracked reality and his real self fell through, something that's never happened.. He was falling and his shadow was cast upon the entire multiverse. Its 2015, 7 years after FC, its time to admit what Darkseid did.

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Yeah, nothing multiversal

Talk to me when he can crack reality on his own

Get back to me when he can wave his hand and bring down the multiverse let me know.

As it stands barely anything done in FC was done by him and his power. He couldn't crack reality either time on his own. If he can, provide proof. If not, then we can assume he could even get to the point of brining anything down with him. He didn't even know dying and falling to a place he didn't belong would bring down the multiverse. Which again doesn't look good. It wasn't he plan to die.. nor fall to a place he didn't belong... nor could he crack reality on his own to even have the former happen. All the points to it being almost a non feat for DS. The only feat there is his will power (impressive) and his place in the universe (clearly he's important, and that's impressive). Besides that, not so much

Originally posted by Genii96
1) Its clear you have no idea what you are talking about,anyone with tp can mindrape. Fighting a tp battle and winning means your telepathic skills are superior to ur opponent,who in this case is moon dragon..he didn't mindwipe her because she is one of the most powerful telepaths in marvel and she had the mind gem...superman is astronomically below her in any form of tp,if thanos KO'd her with TP,he would fry superman with it as well. How are u even debating this fact?

2) Or maybe thanos,being far superior to surfer,is fast enough to make surfer look slow? Or his reflexes are able to easily keep up with surfer and fallen one? This plot crap dosent help your argument at all

3)50 earth weights? You are saying superman's punches are capable of 50 earth weights tons of force? Now I know you are delusional...and thanos has taken blasts from odin..who absolutely shits on supes in any category. I guess you also ignored the scan of thanos hurting the inbetweener with a punch

4)Every fight with a herald has him bitchslapping them like flies...and I am the one posting the feats. You can keep yapping

1. Thanos only showed resistance against being tp against Moondragon. Defense tp doesn't equal offense tp. You have to show feats where Thanos used tp offensively. Anyway, Superman has plenty of tp resistance feats. Against MM, Brainiac, Max Lord, etc. Finally, having the mind gem or any gem doesn't prove anything. We go by feats. Some gem users are simply not using the gem effectively. What are moondragon's feats? Do she have any feats against beings with shown resistance against tp? Why didn't Thanos use tp against almost everyone he's faced (Thor, Champion, Runner, Surfer, Gladiator, Marvell, Drax, I can go on and on forever)?
Finally, tp power is very difficult (if not impossible) to quantify across different companies. How do we know which feat is better? If you say, it's about who you tp that proves your power then what about the being you tped? tping Spidey isn't the same as tping Superman.

2. Thanos would have to move faster than light to be faster than Surfer can perceive. Thanos has no true superspeed. He's faster than a human but not faster than Gamora, Spidey, etc. Your argument is that if a character tags another character in a comic then that character was moving FASTER than the other character can perceive. If that is the case then we would get a shitload of contradictions in comics since Batman, Wolverine, Captain America, etc. has tagged beings that can move and respond to speeds faster than light.

3. Punching is pushing with the fast with the fist. Superman has pushed with over 50 Earth Weights of force and Superman has moved faster than light. So yes, Superman is capable of punching with over 50 Earth weights of force. Blasts doesn't equal blunt force. Thanos punching Inbetweener doesn't relate to Superman punching Thanos (you are durability with strength). Superman could have done worst than Thanos if he struck with just 1 Earth weight of force.

4. False, Thanos was wtf rocked by Thor, Marvell, Drax (killed him), Squirrel Girl, Gamora, etc. Who did Thanos slap around that's comparable to Superman physically? Don't equate any marvel herald with Superman physically. Superman is far above them. And Slapping a 300lb being around ain't shit if you have more than 100 ton strength. Superman can smack Thanos to another state since Thanos only weighs 0.5 tons.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I've already accepted your concession on the matter. You can't back up your claim that Comics don't mirror real life in many aspects. Such as punching.. kicking.. submissions... KO's... people getting killed.. plot... emotions... We could go on for days of the similarities. You can't get around this point, which is why you keep avoiding it like the plague. Let me get your stance straight here

1. You're saying you can prove Grundy wasn't be affected by his prior damage taken and that didn't have an impact on his pverall durability. IF that is your stance, you need to prove it. Or are you conceding it's possible it did have an affect on him?

2. Are you claiming it's not possible for a weaker guy to Ko or Kill a stronger guy after enough punches?

Bring some scans and then talk.

Until then, stop crying.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Think about it, if DS was Multiversal and can just drag down the multiverse when he wants.... Why hasn't he ever done so. Why even bother with the plots and things he's bothered with if he could simply wave his hand and drag down the multiverse? He wouldn't, but there is a clear reason why he does bother, BECAUSE HE CAN'T DO A THING TO THE MULTIVERSE ON HIS OWN. You act like he can just fall whenever he wants.. he can't or prove he can. We don't just assume he can.

The reality is, the needed a crack in reality to fall anywhere... something HE DIDN'T CAUSE. As I stated earlier, if you can't open the door to walk in the house, who cares what you do in the house. You couldn't do a thing without being able to open the door. Guess what, DS couldn't open the door on his own. He needed two different things cracking reality, NONE of which was his power to do so.

Further, he couldn't even drag down the multiverse WITH reality cracked open... HE HAD TO DIE in order to fall to a place he didn't belong. Again which illustrates the point that he's not multiversal. If he was, why would he have to die to be able to do anything multiversal? You wouldn't, you could just do it. Guess what, DS wasn't able to just do anything. He had to die first, and that wasn't even part of his plan or goal, it just happened.

My stance couldn't be more consistent

Because Darkseid's always been about controlling rather than destroying. That's the whole point of his endless search for the Anti Life equation throughout all these years. But given that DS was dying in FC, he decided to kill everyone and everything with him.

Not to mention that FC hinted that this is the first time Darkseid fully manifests, and that was outright confirmed in an interview.

Darkseid's death was the sole reason the multiverse was being destroyed. He also infused Batman with enough omega energy to destroy reality while being extremely weak.

Originally posted by operator616
Because Darkseid's always been about controlling rather than destroying. That's the whole point of his endless search for the Anti Life equation throughout all these years. But given that DS was dying in FC, he decided to kill everyone and everything with him.

Not to mention that FC hinted that this is the first time Darkseid fully manifests, and that was outright confirmed in an interview.

Darkseid's death was the sole reason the multiverse was being destroyed. He also infused Batman with enough omega energy to destroy reality while being extremely weak.

That's the point though... NONE of that was his doing... He couldn't crack reality... nor could he drag down the multiverse without dying. So who cares then? So because he was falling to a place he didn't belong , and that had consequences, that was somehow impressive? It might speak to his position or role in the grand scheme of things, but not much else. NONE of that was his plan. He didnt' plan nor try and crack reality.. nor was his plan to die.. those things just happened. People can get back to me when he can do any of that on his own under his own power. Until then, it's lulz worthy as a multiversal feat

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
How far above is The Emo Eggplant when Superman has his blocks removed and is going all out?

You're talking about a guy that has gone up against Odin (Marvel's premier Skyfather), Tyrant, Galactus, Omega (Galactus clone that was supposedly twice as powerful as the real deal), Maker, and teams of Avengers (that included Thor).

Originally posted by zopzop
Still nowhere near him.

You're talking about a guy that has gone up against Odin (Marvel's premier Skyfather), Tyrant, Galactus, Omega (Galactus clone that was supposedly twice as powerful as the real deal), Maker, and teams of Avengers (that included Thor).

Has been hurt every single time he was struck by blunt force from a high Herald.

Superman is far faster than any of those characters and can perceive Thanos moving in super slow motion. Which makes your Abc logic faulty.

Superman letting loose one shot kills Trans beings. That's far above Thanos.
Not even a Skyfather can do that.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That's the point though... NONE of that was his doing... He couldn't crack reality... nor could he drag down the multiverse without dying. So who cares then? So because he was falling to a place he didn't belong , and that had consequences, that was somehow impressive? It might speak to his position or role in the grand scheme of things, but not much else. NONE of that was his plan. He didnt' plan nor try and crack reality.. nor was his plan to die.. those things just happened. People can get back to me when he can do any of that on his own under his own power. Until then, it's lulz worthy as a multiversal feat

Originally posted by h1a8
And lost every time.

Has been hurt every single time he was struck by blunt force from a high Herald.

Superman is far faster than any of those characters and can perceive Thanos moving in super slow motion. Which makes your Abc logic faulty.

Superman letting loose one shot kills Trans beings. That's far above Thanos.
Not even a Skyfather can do that.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That's the point though... NONE of that was his doing... He couldn't crack reality... nor could he drag down the multiverse without dying. So who cares then? So because he was falling to a place he didn't belong , and that had consequences, that was somehow impressive? It might speak to his position or role in the grand scheme of things, but not much else. NONE of that was his plan. He didnt' plan nor try and crack reality.. nor was his plan to die.. those things just happened. People can get back to me when he can do any of that on his own under his own power. Until then, it's lulz worthy as a multiversal feat

Where was it stated that he couldn't crack reality and he specifically needed to die to achieve that?

It became his plan when he started dying. Before he was mortally wounded, his plan was to enslave everyone. Hence why he wanted the ALE.

Even if you believe that DS's multiversal destruction wasn't intentional there is still the fact that he infused Batman with enough power to break reality (as shown in the Return of the Bruce Wayne story). So either way, he did have that level of power.

Originally posted by operator616
Where was it stated that he couldn't crack reality and he specifically needed to die to achieve that?

It became his plan when he started dying. Before he was mortally wounded, his plan was to enslave everyone. Hence why he wanted the ALE.

Even if you believe that DS's multiversal destruction wasn't intentional there is still the fact that he infused Batman with enough power to break reality (as shown in the Return of the Bruce Wayne story). So either way, he did have that level of power.

You'd have to prove he can crack reality on his own, that isn't up to me to prove. My stance on this has always been the same. If you're not able to open the door to get in the house, who cares while inside your able to watch TV.. if you can't get in there it's irrelevant what you could while in there.

Think about it logical operator... did you honestly take that seen literally? I mean are you claiming DS can cover the entire multiverse with his body/presence etc? Is his REALLY that big, is that the claim here? IF not, than that scene had to be figurative correct?

Lastly, you don't agree that DS falling to a place he didn't belong might be what caused the multiverse to get flushed down the toilet? If you're in a place that you don't belong that often times has severe consequences. Much like doing something to the 616 has consequences to other parts of Marvel

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Let me ask you something... Since you said you never claimed Superman was stronger than Thanos... Well then, what is your stance exactly?