Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You'd have to prove he can crack reality on his own, that isn't up to me to prove. My stance on this has always been the same. If you're not able to open the door to get in the house, who cares while inside your able to watch TV.. if you can't get in there it's irrelevant what you could while in there.Think about it logical operator... did you honestly take that seen literally? I mean are you claiming DS can cover the entire multiverse with his body/presence etc? Is his REALLY that big, is that the claim here? IF not, than that scene had to be figurative correct?
Lastly, you don't agree that DS falling to a place he didn't belong might be what caused the multiverse to get flushed down the toilet? If you're in a place that you don't belong that often times has severe consequences. Much like doing something to the 616 has consequences to other parts of Marvel
I admit that the Final Crisis instance is debatable, but i cited the Return of the Bruce Wayne showing for you to confirm that Darkseid did indeed have that level of power regardless if his showing in FC was intentional or not. You seemed to have ignored that.
No, he's not physically that big, but his essence was powerful enough to destroy the multiverse.
It's not that he fell into the wrong place. It was the fact that he was dying and decided to drag everyone into death with him.
Originally posted by operator616He was supposed to be that big though iirc.
I admit that the Final Crisis instance is debatable, but i cited the Return of the Bruce Wayne showing for you to confirm that Darkseid did indeed have that level of power regardless if his showing in FC was intentional or not. You seemed to have ignored that.No, he's not physically that big, but his essence was powerful enough to destroy the multiverse.
It's not that he fell into the wrong place. It was the fact that he was dying and decided to drag everyone into death with him.
It might have been played up a lot but he's still bigly huge if he isn't Boomtubed down. And it makes sense that something that big falling into a lower dimension would cause some sort of massive black hole/massive damage.
Basically Morrison had a big size fetish for that series. Same with the Monitors, who were even bigger. Does it make him more powerful on the same level? Not really. But it speaks to how much he hinders himself when he interacts with the lower worlds. Like an extreme version of Giant Man.
Originally posted by operator616
I admit that the Final Crisis instance is debatable, but i cited the Return of the Bruce Wayne showing for you to confirm that Darkseid did indeed have that level of power regardless if his showing in FC was intentional or not. You seemed to have ignored that.No, he's not physically that big, but his essence was powerful enough to destroy the multiverse.
It's not that he fell into the wrong place. It was the fact that he was dying and decided to drag everyone into death with him.
That's the thing... If he really wasn't that big, then it was meant to be figurative not literal. You can't take something totally literal, that is clearly meant to be figurative is my point. My further point was simply that if the only way you can do something destructive to the multiverse is by you accidently dying and having no idea that would occur.. isn't really a multiversal feat.
I do remember the feat in question with Batman, but I don't recall the language being used that it could destroy the multiverse
Originally posted by One Big Mob
He was supposed to be that big though iirc.It might have been played up a lot but he's still bigly huge if he isn't Boomtubed down. And it makes sense that something that big falling into a lower dimension would cause some sort of massive black hole/massive damage.
Basically Morrison had a big size fetish for that series. Same with the Monitors, who were even bigger. Does it make him more powerful on the same level? Not really. But it speaks to how much he hinders himself when he interacts with the lower worlds. Like an extreme version of Giant Man.
He's bigger when not boomtubed... my issue is... he's not multiversal big like what is being implied here. That scene has been played up to the emf degree.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThat's the strong implication that Morrison was playing with. Especially with his size queen shit in Beyond. As well as his map.
He's bigger when not boomtubed... my issue is... he's not multiversal big like what is being implied here. That scene has been played up to the emf degree.
They went from merely giants to solar system sized to multiversal. Mind you there is a scene where fodder Gods are creating universes, so if we take that scene into account it'd make sense that Darkseid falling into 52 of them would cause some bad shit.
So GM took certain liberties or he's basing New God size around that literal size difference when they were playing with universes.
It doesn't really change much but it does show how powerful he is if he isn't going down to other people's level. You could also think of it as Microverse vs Normalverse... if the Normalverse could interact in that form with the Microverse.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
He was supposed to be that big though iirc.It might have been played up a lot but he's still bigly huge if he isn't Boomtubed down. And it makes sense that something that big falling into a lower dimension would cause some sort of massive black hole/massive damage.
Basically Morrison had a big size fetish for that series. Same with the Monitors, who were even bigger. Does it make him more powerful on the same level? Not really. But it speaks to how much he hinders himself when he interacts with the lower worlds. Like an extreme version of Giant Man.
Im not sure. The whole idea of "Darkseid being physically large enough to destroy the multiverse" doesn't sound logical to me. I mean, if we really do take that scene literally, Darkseid should have crushed the multiverse in all the time the events of FC were taking place. On the other hand, his essence being powerful enough to cause multiversal chaos sounds more logical.
Basically, there were implications for both of the above, im just siding with the more logical one. At least to me.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I do remember the feat in question with Batman, but I don't recall the language being used that it could destroy the multiverse
The term "multiverse" was never used. But the energies inside Batman were at least universe-level threatening.
Originally posted by operator616
Im not sure. The whole idea of "Darkseid being physically large enough to destroy the multiverse" doesn't sound logical to me. I mean, if we really do take that scene literally, Darkseid should have crushed the multiverse in all the time the events of FC were taking place. On the other hand, his essence being powerful enough to cause multiversal chaos sounds more logical.Basically, there were implications for both of the above, im just siding with the more logical one. At least to me.
The term "multiverse" was never used. But the energies inside Batman were at least universe-level threatening.
Agreed, I also don't take it that he's multiversal big... just that his mere presence/essence can cause great destruction going to a lower dimension.
I didn't think it was used, which again was the point I was making. He did nothing Multiversal with his own power nor did he intend to die.. nor fall... nor did he crack reality for that even to happen. Again though, I do get your point and we aren't THAT far apart imo. DS energies/presence is pretty powerful
Originally posted by zopzopand none of that compares to being able to withstand a punch with 50 earth weights of force behind it traveling at faster than light speeds.
He beat Maker and teams of Avengers. He held his own for a while vs Odin and Tyrant. He's even knocked Galactus on his @$$ and then destroyed a handful of his Punisher drones (ONE gave Surfer a good fight). He was instrumental in defeating Omega because he took the brunt of his attacks while Strange and Crew BFRed him.You have no clue what you are talking about.
His shields were key!
Originally posted by zopzopYou forgot how he casually pimped Lord Marvell a legit trans character
Still nowhere near him.You're talking about a guy that has gone up against Odin (Marvel's premier Skyfather), Tyrant, Galactus, Omega (Galactus clone that was supposedly twice as powerful as the real deal), Maker, and teams of Avengers (that included Thor).
Originally posted by operator616
I admit that the Final Crisis instance is debatable, but i cited the Return of the Bruce Wayne showing for you to confirm that Darkseid did indeed have that level of power regardless if his showing in FC was intentional or not. You seemed to have ignored that.No, he's not physically that big, but his essence was powerful enough to destroy the multiverse.
It's not that he fell into the wrong place. It was the fact that he was dying and decided to drag everyone into death with him.
The ambiguity and symbolism in that series makes things like the size of Darkseid in his "true unboomed" form difficult. It was meant to be incomprehensible, was it his essence or his literal size? Only Morrison really knows.
Originally posted by Knife👆
The ambiguity and symbolism in that series makes things like the size of Darkseid in his "true unboomed" form difficult. It was meant to be incomprehensible, was it his essence or his literal size? Only Morrison really knows.
Plus Morrison was trying to make them into literal ideas as well. Though he did the same with Mandrakk and he was pretty physical. I'd look into the comics but I doubt I'd find anything static.
Though I don't think if he was physical that him not destroying everything would prove it was more considering that story. Multiverse was in a jar afterall. 😂
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. Surfer or Gladiator could beat Lord Marvell.Superman is physically above anyone Thanos has faced, and a shit load faster in combat.
Lord Mar-Vell casually disintegrated Magus. Easily beat both Surfer and Nova Prime. And he almost killed the Annihilators with one of his spells.