Thanos vs Supermans

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Nova doesn't have the same level of knowledge as the Surfer has, so her being wrong isn't really far fetched. Also, character -assumptions- <<<<< "feats" and "showings". This doesn't even need to be said.

Is this another way of saying "I don't like it so it never happened"? If yes, its a pretty pathetic attempt. Nova said "we were almost crushed" and Surfer said "Galactus saved us" but they were never in trouble.

Oh surfer fanboys.

I am familiar with that "double bh" scan. That's not being at the center of a black hole tho, at least I don't see where it's being mentioned that it's the center of one, more like within the edge of the event horizon (within it's Schwarzschild radius as per scan).

If you posted a scan of Surfer being KO'd by a BH and said that it was him being "owned" by one (like you say he was, scans tho?), wouldn't have posted in the first place, as you'd be right. The above scan you posted, however? Is far from getting owned by one.

Of course it was. Surfer almost got crushed to death by a black hole and needed Galactus to save him.

Lulz at the assumption though. I will say that's a first for making excuses for Surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
1) Is this another way of saying "I don't like it so it never happened"? If yes, its a pretty pathetic attempt. Nova said "we were almost crushed" and Surfer said "Galactus saved us" but they were never in trouble.

2) Oh surfer fanboys.

3) Nobody cares what you think. And no, its definitely in the black hole as Superman had to go faster than Light to escape it.

4) I didn't know gravity similar to black hole isn't a black hole level gravity. Nice work there.

5) No, it wasn't an assumption. They were in the black hole and they were almost crushed before Galactus saved them as per surfer. How the **** is it an assumption?

6) "Shielded by their own enormous power"? Green Lanterns do that all the time. And even there Surfer said he will get trapped there for eternity if not escaping in microverse.

7) Of course it was. Surfer almost got crushed to death by a black hole and needed Galactus to save him.

8) Lulz at the assumption though. I will say that's a first for making excuses for Surfer.

1) No, it is called "feats > statements".
2) Ah, ad hominem... Chill man, not your enemy, just wanna get into a friendly debate. 😛
3) Never said he wasn't in a black hole. Said he was in the event horizon.
4) Never said that either. I simply requested for showings of Superman being in the center of a black hole, and you provided a scan where he got hit by a machine that generated a gravitational field that made things -seem- like he was in a black hole w/c does not really meet the criteria of "being in a center of a black hole" as he was obviously not inside a black hole at the time.... 😕
5) Someone saying something as fact without evidence to back it up (and with future evidence disproving it) is essentially what an assumption is:

as·sump·tion
&#601;&#712;s&#601;m(p)SH(&#601😉n/
noun
noun: assumption; plural noun: assumptions; noun: Assumption
1. a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.

Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=assumption+definition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Aka. Nova accepted that they were almost crushed (and would have been had they fallen into the Black Hole). There is no proof of this happening on panel within the scan provided. Future scan proves that this would not have happened.

6) Good for Green Lanterns then. Not really a Superman showing, tho.... Trapped =/= crushed. Kinda like how Superman was almost trapped within that black hole had he not been helped by that Baxtan. Doesn't mean Superman got owned by that Black Hole either.
7) See above. Assumption is not fact.
8) Not really the first time where character statements are not taken at face value. Not really the first time where character showings disprove character statements. So not really sure where you're coming from with the "first time" quip. How is any of what I said "a first".

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) No, it is called "feats > statements".
2) Ah, ad hominem... Chill man, not your enemy, just wanna get into a friendly debate. 😛
3) Never said he wasn't in a black hole. Said he was in the event horizon.
4) Never said that either. I simply requested for showings of Superman being in the center of a black hole, and you provided a scan where he got hit by a machine that generated a gravitational field that made things -seem- like he was in a black hole w/c does not really meet the criteria of "being in a center of a black hole" as he was obviously not inside a black hole at the time.... 😕
5) Someone saying something as fact without evidence to back it up (and with future evidence disproving it) is essentially what an assumption is:

as·sump·tion
&#601;&#712;s&#601;m(p)SH(&#601😉n/
noun
noun: assumption; plural noun: assumptions; noun: Assumption
1. a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.

Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=assumption+definition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Aka. Nova accepted that they were almost crushed (and would have been had they fallen into the Black Hole). There is no proof of this happening on panel within the scan provided. Future scan proves that this would not have happened.

6) Good for Green Lanterns then. Not really a Superman showing, tho.... Trapped =/= crushed. Kinda like how Superman was almost trapped within that black hole had he not been helped by that Baxtan. Doesn't mean Superman got owned by that Black Hole either.
7) See above. Assumption is not fact.
8) Not really the first time where character statements are not taken at face value. Not really the first time where character showings disprove character statements. So not really sure where you're coming from with the "first time" quip. How is any of what I said "a first".

Sorry pal, don't have time for that kind of arguments.

Surfer got almost crushed to death, saved by Galactus and he himself confirms so. Don't like it? Does not matters in the least.

😂

Being at the center of gravity of a black hole isn't being at the center of a black hole. Right.

Using a dictionary now? Already grasping for straws I see.

Nova didn't said it would happen IF they fell in the black hole, she said they already got almost crushed to death until Galactus saved them. Learn to read and view scans.

Superman escaped from the black hole by sheer speed. Surfer needed a portal to escape. Ergo owned but saved by a plot device.

Fact is not assumption here.

Except it's supported by Surfer's own words and surfer being afraid of the black hole later on to ask Lord Chaos and Master Order to help him escape the black hole.

Not to mention flat out getting koed by the black hole until a portal threw him in a different universe.

So, no it wasn't an assumption.

Originally posted by abhilegend

1) So, it's going as one of those instances where you just nitpick and throw nonsense around for pages until I lose all interest.

2) Sorry pal, don't have time for that kind of arguments.

3) Surfer got almost crushed to death, saved by Galactus and he himself confirms so. Don't like it? Does not matters in the least.

😂

4) Being at the center of gravity of a black hole isn't being at the center of a black hole. Right.

5) Using a dictionary now? Already grasping for straws I see.

6) Nova didn't said it would happen IF they fell in the black hole, she said they already got almost crushed to death until Galactus saved them. Learn to read and view scans.

7) Superman escaped from the black hole by sheer speed. Surfer needed a portal to escape. Ergo owned but saved by a plot device.

8) Fact is not assumption here.

9) Except it's supported by Surfer's own words and surfer being afraid of the black hole later on to ask Lord Chaos and Master Order to help him escape the black hole.

10) Not to mention flat out getting koed by the black hole until a portal threw him in a different universe.

11) So, no it wasn't an assumption.

1) Chill, bro.
2) I dunno, you seem to be addressing arguments from carver and BAV pretty consistently. Seems you have quite a decent amount of time on your hands. 😛
3) Not according to on panel showings. Other than disproven character statements, what exactly are you basing this on? You can yell to high heaven that it happened the way you want it to even tho it didn't, but what would that actually accomplish?
4) And I quote (via narrative w/c is equal to fact in comics): "...struggle WITHIN the dying star's (aka the black hole) black heart". Might wanna reread the scan there.... Can't get any more blatantly obvious than that...
5) As you seem to not want to believe my proper use and definition of the term "assumption", had to go to an actual indisputable source. I'm not sure "grasping at straws" means what you think it means if you are claiming that is what I am doing here....
6) Which is exactly what "...almost got crushed.." means.... because 1) they didn't exactly fall into the black hole because Galactus pulled them out and 2) she merely speculated what would have happened if they did. Which is what an assumption is. I'm not even really sure what you're trying to argue here.
7) With a little help, sure. Tho, I'm not here to nitpick the "feat". Props to him and all that. Merely stating that trapped =/= owned. Otherwise, the same instance would have meant Superman was owned by the BH (as he himself admitted he would have been trapped as well had he not gotten help).
8) Fact requires proof. So you have proof that the Surfer would have gotten crushed by that Black Hole?
9) Which words? And being afraid of Black Holes does not mean he would have gotten crushed by it. I don't even know how one can make THAT HOOOJ leap of logic...
10) Where is the scan of this KO instance you keep mentioning? I'm sure you have it so plxz post.
11) Um. Yez it wuz. By definition.

So just rehashing same argument over and over while typing random shit to move the goal posts?

No thanks. You can have the last word here.

Call me when you have an actual argument.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So just rehashing same argument over and over while typing random shit to move the goal posts?

No thanks. You can have the last word here.

Call me when you have an actual argument.

Well, I wouldn't rehash them if you actually managed to rebut them. And where exactly did I move goal posts? Would wanna know so I could avoid doing it in the future.

But ok. 😛

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Nova doesn't have the same level of knowledge as the Surfer has, so her being wrong isn't really far fetched. Also, character -assumptions- <<<<< "feats" and "showings". This doesn't even need to be said.

I am familiar with that "double bh" scan. That's not being at the center of a black hole tho, at least I don't see where it's being mentioned that it's the center of one, more like within the edge of the event horizon (within it's Schwarzschild radius as per scan).

Second scan is Superman getting hit by a grav field that (from character statements) mentioned that it would be similar to a black hole, not really an actual bh.

Her very statement was an assumption. The very nature of saying "almost" is to assume what could have happened. Like "almost getting hit" doesn't really mean you would have gotten hit. You just assumed you would have.

http://i.imgur.com/61ywrX9.jpg

Sure doesn't look very owned by a black hole to me....

If you posted a scan of Surfer being KO'd by a BH and said that it was him being "owned" by one (like you say he was, scans tho?), wouldn't have posted in the first place, as you'd be right. The above scan you posted, however? Is far from getting owned by one.

In your scan where Surfer is fighting Red Shift in the heart of a black hole, Surfer is actually weakened:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-14.jpg

Surfer has also gone directly into the center of a black hole filled with anti-matter and came out unscathed.

Great,now how did surfer enter into this?...

Originally posted by abhilegend
So just rehashing same argument over and over while typing random shit to move the goal posts?

No thanks. You can have the last word here.

Call me when you have an actual argument.

So your usual stance of misrepresenting scans, failure to understand the context of scans, ignoring other possibilities and general buffoonery? He's the one who shouldn't want to continue, not you kid.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you're claiming superman beats Thanos one v one ?

Originally posted by One-Punch
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In your scan where Surfer is fighting Red Shift in the heart of a black hole, Surfer is actually weakened:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-14.jpg

Surfer has also gone directly into the center of a [b]black hole filled with anti-matter and came out unscathed.

[/B]

That's cute, but Epic Magazine and Epic Comics imprint stories are specifically non-continuity stories. It was an imprint of creator owned work, or mature stories that didn't fit in the MU.

Originally posted by Juntai
Without question he can.

😆

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) Chill, bro.
2) I dunno, you seem to be addressing arguments from carver and BAV pretty consistently. Seems you have quite a decent amount of time on your hands. 😛
3) Not according to on panel showings. Other than disproven character statements, what exactly are you basing this on? You can yell to high heaven that it happened the way you want it to even tho it didn't, but what would that actually accomplish?
4) And I quote (via narrative w/c is equal to fact in comics): "...struggle WITHIN the dying star's (aka the black hole) black heart". Might wanna reread the scan there.... Can't get any more blatantly obvious than that...
5) As you seem to not want to believe my proper use and definition of the term "assumption", had to go to an actual indisputable source. I'm not sure "grasping at straws" means what you think it means if you are claiming that is what I am doing here....
6) Which is exactly what "...almost got crushed.." means.... because 1) they didn't exactly fall into the black hole because Galactus pulled them out and 2) she merely speculated what would have happened if they did. Which is what an assumption is. I'm not even really sure what you're trying to argue here.
7) With a little help, sure. Tho, I'm not here to nitpick the "feat". Props to him and all that. Merely stating that trapped =/= owned. Otherwise, the same instance would have meant Superman was owned by the BH (as he himself admitted he would have been trapped as well had he not gotten help).
8) Fact requires proof. So you have proof that the Surfer would have gotten crushed by that Black Hole?
9) Which words? And being afraid of Black Holes does not mean he would have gotten crushed by it. I don't even know how one can make THAT HOOOJ leap of logic...
10) Where is the scan of this KO instance you keep mentioning? I'm sure you have it so plxz post.
11) Um. Yez it wuz. By definition.

Hell yeah he has time. Not trying to be funny but I think this dude is confined to a wheel chair.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So your usual stance of misrepresenting scans, failure to understand the context of scans, ignoring other possibilities and general buffoonery? He's the one who shouldn't want to continue, not you kid.

Church say Amen.

Originally posted by Raisen
I know what you'are saying and I like you...but he is kind of right
You are too good to put yourself in that group and I know you are a fan.n.but you are fighting against indisputable facts bro

I just wanted that ****er to get jealous and her took the bait. You too, RAO.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer directly says that they were saved by Galactus. Nova said they were almost crushed to nothingness.

Superman has too. A multiversal black hole, a double black hole and a machine simulating the gravity of a black hole.

Superman actually got more powerful than before. What's surfer's excuse?

He official got more powerful? I need you to cite that for me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Nova said they were. Mind you, Superman never said he was going to ge crushed in the black hole. It was Lightray. And why the need of saving if you are not in trouble? Surfer even says that "it will be a fitting end" for his life.

Final Crisis. Read it. Also.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/doubleblackholedurability1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/doubleblackholedurability2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/doubleblackholedurability3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/doubleblackholedurability4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/doubleblackholedurability5.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/doubleblackholedurability6.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/doubleblackholedurability7.jpg

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/youngsupesbh1.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/youngsupesbh2.jpg

Except, it wasn't an assumption. They were almost crushed to nothingness, later when Surfer tried to go in the black hole again, he was knocked out and threw in a different dimension.

And after that he was so afraid that he asked for Lord Order and Master Chaos to help him cross the black hole.

So, no he wasn't "not affected". That's just an asinine thing to say.

"And why the need of saving if you are not in trouble?"

Right , why did Metron save Superman's worthless ass?

Originally posted by One-Punch
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In your scan where Surfer is fighting Red Shift in the heart of a black hole, Surfer is actually weakened:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-14.jpg

Surfer has also gone directly into the center of a [b]black hole filled with anti-matter and came out unscathed.

[/B]

Not to mention he was shielded by his powers just like Red Shift and not actually resisting with his natural durability.

And LMAO at posting Epic imprint comics. Do you think this is comicvine or CBR?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He official got more powerful? I need you to cite that for me.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
"And why the need of saving if you are not in trouble?"

Right , why did Metron save Superman's worthless ass?

Originally posted by Juntai
Without question he can.

Never asked you if he can... I'm asking you if he pulls a majority?