Originally posted by MS WarehouseI realise Kun's style is unique but not so much so that Sidious would be baffled by it. Again it is ultimately a variant of Niman, a form Sidious has mastered, Kun was simply uncharacteristically aggressive and erratic with it, but that's not something he's unfamiliar with either. Maul's weapon is different to Kun's, but "completely" different? Unlikely, after all Maul no trouble adopting a single-hilted variant in Rebels. And yes, he did, I assume you haven't read the novel:
Kun wields an unknown style because it was never replicated. Maul's weapon is just a double bladed weapon he wields two handed while Kun wielded it one handed, making it completely. And Sidious didn't reach an "impasse", he was soundly beaten by Vaapad.
Vaapad made him an open channel, half of a superconducting loop completed by the shadow; they became a standing wave of battle that expanded into every cubic centimeter of the Chancellor's office. There was no scrap of carpet nor shred of chair that might not at any second disintegrate in flares of red or purple; lampstands became brief shields, sliced into segments that whirled through the air; couches became terrain to be climbed for advantage or overleapt in retreat. But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue.So what makes Kun's style more deadly and unpredictable than Windu's?Impasse.
Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Mace's only gift.
I wasn't aware that he had to replicate it when he did it against tens of thousands.Of fodder non-Force sensitives, so yes proof of combat applicability against an opponent as powerful as Sidious would be appreciated.
You must be forgetting about that giant sith wyrm he annihilated. He wasn't trying to kill Keto when he blasted him. Furthermore, if you look at the scans, the colors and properties of the two blasts were different.That's nice, but if he can annihilate a Sith wyrm and Keto herself can reduce people to dust, a casual blast from Exar Kun should be capable of annihilating her as well. It didn't, it didn't even leave a burn, ergo it's not unstoppable. Which you've still yet to prove.
Originally posted by MythLord
That isn't how it works. The authors don't think "hey, this is a 50% scenario, so we'll just write it down". If they want to show a fight that can go either way, they'll write a stalemate, if they make one of them win and it's for a non-external reason(i.e. its through their own skill, or physical capability) then that means said character is simply better.You're applying forum policy to authors who do not follow it.
I'm using figures as an analogy, not as my point itself. My point is that X can beat Y, but may not always do so. That's a belief shared by at least some authors.
Does Yoda vs Sidious look like a case of Yoda simply being superior to you?
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Yeah that's pretty retarded. You could say the same about every duel if it's not a stomp.
Which is why there's inconsistency or why we believe that X doesn't beat Y every time they fight?
Originally posted by SunRazer
I'm using figures as an analogy, not as my point itself. My point is that X can beat Y, but may not always do so. That's a belief shared by at least some authors.Does Yoda vs Sidious look like a case of Yoda simply being superior to you?
"May not always" just means that the two combatants are close, but still, unless their situation is written as a stalemate, it's unreasonable to assume authors are just "50-50, m8" if it's a good fight.
Authors do believe a fight can play out in different ways, but clearly the way written in the book(i.e. one winning, one stomping or one stalemating) is what they find to be the likely result, therefore its a majority-of-times type thing, not an off-world outliar(although, those can at times be the case, but are quite rare).
And yes, regarding a saber duel, Yoda has always been painted as Palpatine's superior; even back in the day the little green guy was sporting accolades of "being the best fighter in the Prequels". And both the RotS script and novelisation have Yoda disarming Sidious, and in other sources there's a time-skip from Yoda fighting him in a saber duel, to then Sidious being without a saber, chucking senate pods at him.
Sidious' command of the Force balances out/surpasses Yoda's small saber advantage, and that's all there is to it.
Originally posted by MythLord
"May not always" just means that the two combatants are close, but still, unless their situation is written as a stalemate, it's unreasonable to assume authors are just "50-50, m8" if it's a good fight.
I'm not saying that every fight is indicative of a 50% margin either way, lol. For that matter, 50% was a percentage I simply made up on the spot for the sake of simplicity. Substitute any figure you want. I'm asking Ziggy why he's contradicting himself by claiming that Sidious winning the day with the Force is circumstantial and worth questioning, but not Yoda's victory in the dueling portion of the fight?
Authors do believe a fight can play out in different ways, but clearly the way written in the book(i.e. one winning, one stomping or one stalemating) is what they find to be the likely result, therefore its a majority-of-times type thing, not an off-world outliar(although, those can at times be the case, but are quite rare).
It's the result they find most likely in the circumstances given, yeah. And I'd say the cramped space would've been quite poor for Palpatine. Yoda, being of much smaller stature, still had ample room to jump around and everything. Not so with the Emperor, but I'll let it slide.
And yes, regarding a saber duel, Yoda has always been painted as Palpatine's superior; even back in the day the little green guy was sporting accolades of "being the best fighter in the Prequels". And both the RotS script and novelisation have Yoda disarming Sidious
Not sure which "best fighter in the prequels" quote you're running after, but recent quotes claim that Sidious can beat any Jedi duelist. It'd help if Yoda had better feats as a swordsman than Sidious, but he doesn't.
The novelization doesn't have Yoda disarming Sidious - the junior novel does, and that's the same source that has Palpatine and Yoda as equals in the Force. So I'd be careful with which sources I elect to support my point.
and in other sources there's a time-skip from Yoda fighting him in a saber duel, to then Sidious being without a saber, chucking senate pods at him.
Sidious choosing to relocate so he can abuse his Force advantage and Yoda gaining the advantage in a physical duel aren't necessarily indicative of one another.
Sidious' command of the Force balances out/surpasses Yoda's small saber advantage, and that's all there is to it.
As of current sources, yeah. Though in the past they've been sources putting Yoda and Sidious as equals. Fortunately, Canon is much more decisive on the issue - the SW website alone provides almost half a dozen quotes on Palpatine's favor.