Dr Will Hatch
Senior Member
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
The fight choreography for the Nolan films as a whole was nothing to write home about, but it was especially highlighted in Rises. Upon rewatching the first Batman and Bane fight I could quickly tell the first knockdown punch by Bane didnt even connect. There is some things to like about the film, sure, but the criticism is hardly overblown and in fact proved to be more true as time passed, as many who initially defended it realized it wasnt that good once they got past the honeymoon phase with it; me being one of those people admittedly.
Yeah, the choreography in the trilogy is pretty shitty. It's not so bad in Batman Begins because of the use of the shaky cam obscured a lot of it, and the SWAT team fight in TDK was awesome because it showed Batman's use of situational awareness and thinking on his feet, but other than that...yeah. Cringey. Shame, because it taints what is otherwise a nearly perfect set of movies. The *only* thing that I appreciated about Batman v Superman was giving Batman decent fighting skills that seemed close to the comics.
I really do think that the hate for Rises is overblown, but I notice that most of the hyperbolic hatred that it gets is from DC comics fans than anyone else, and those blokes I find to be really toxic and silly to begin with, so I have trouble taking them or their opinions seriously.
Like the whole thing with the airplane hijacking at the beginning.
Are there a ton of plot holes in that scene? Yeah, of course there are, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's really, really cool and a good introduction to Bane and that he's a villain that operates on another level than someone like The Joker.
I wish that the script had been given another pass to fix those plot holes, but I see where Nolan was going with it, so it gets a pass from me.
Or the criticism about how Bruce got back to Gotham City once he escaped the Pit.
It's shown throughout all three films that Bruce is extremely resourceful and can basically sneak in and out of anywhere. He survived for seven years in Begins without being identified and can vanish from crime scenes without anyone knowing where he went. It's also undoubtable that he had money and supplies stashed around different areas of the world in case of just such a circumstance as being kidnapped.
And emotionally, it works perfectly. So far, this was the only live action version of Batman that I cared about as a character, and Rises was a really good closer to his career.