Originally posted by abhilegend
For all his hype, surfer doesn't has that many victories against Herald level characters much less Trans level beings. I'm struggling to recall the last time he beat a trans level character with flat out power.
Superman and Thor have come across as more impressive against Trans Levelers (and even some Skyfathers) than Surfer has. Makes no sense really but that's the way it is.
Originally posted by zopzop
Sad but true.Superman and Thor have come across as more impressive against Trans Levelers (and even some Skyfathers) than Surfer has. Makes no sense really but that's the way it is.
While Morg straight up koed him and had chance of killing him but spared him.
Then, who else? Hulk straight up walked through his blasts last two times they fought in The Order and SS 125. He has one win over hulk in TTA 93 though. Thor always got better of him. Then who else?
I'd say it goes like this.
1. Superman
2. Thor
3. Surfer
Now first of all I am going to say I think Surfer is closer to the Trans Tier than any of the other 3 here. But I am basing my opinion on what we see in the comics. Surfer would #1 by this far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
If he acted on the power that he has inside him. But he just doesn't. He is extremely pacifistic, and rarely if ever actually goes ham on a character. If he had the mindset of say Thor then yeah he could easily be above everyone here but he doesn't. So despite the fact that in my opinion in general based on potential and Surfer's power and potential he would be far above everyone here. His pacifistic nature prevents that. Which is why he is at the bottom.
Superman I would say is closer to the Trans Tier than Thor is again the fact that he does a lot of holding back (which Thor also does). But when Superman goes all out it's a sight to behold. He displays gargantuan amounts of power that is something to behold. It's not even just his strength, or his heat vision. He is also has other things like his speed although that isn't as important. I just think Superman if he isn't holding back (subconsciously or consciously) he just impresses much more than Thor does. It's something we rarely see (Superman not holding back) and everyone is impressed when he doesn't.
Thor comes second because while he has impressive feats (such as hurting Glory) and he is a tough bastard with his durability He can also put a hurting on a lot of people in the Herald Tier and shows some degree of being able to affect people outside of his tier (Trans etc). I already mentioned Glory but when he can he has knocked Thanos (he may not have hurt him much if not at all but it shows he packs a ton of power). I could bring up a ton of other things but I would end up writing 30,000 + words. I just don't think at the end of it while Surfer should be much higher than these guys here (and to note he probably is, he just doesn't exhibit in comics. It's a hard thing to debate but I just find that Superman is just that bit above Thor.
I should clarify in comparison to Superman Thor is absolutely not trailing in power (far from it). I just think he is just a bit above Thor. This is to say that a fight between them with them both going all out is not a Stomp for Superman. It's just Superman takes more wins than his losses.
Now if we were to go on potential at maximum capacity then it would be.
1. Surfer
2.Superman
3.Thor
But this just isn't shown in comics.
Apologies if this is a bit of a crazy write up or anything.
superman, the mother****er oneshotted a guy that tosses stars around, went toe to toe with pc kryptonians oneshotted universal death, and this isnt even the tip of the iceberg, superman is known for going beyond his tier. superman has wayy more impressive feats against people in the trans tier than the others imo
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Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I'd say it goes like this.1. Superman
2. Thor
3. Surfer
Now first of all I am going to say I think Surfer is closer to the Trans Tier than any of the other 3 here. But I am basing my opinion on what we see in the comics. Surfer would #1 by this far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
If he acted on the power that he has inside him. But he just doesn't. He is extremely pacifistic, and rarely if ever actually goes ham on a character. If he had the mindset of say Thor then yeah he could easily be above everyone here but he doesn't. So despite the fact that in my opinion in general based on potential and Surfer's power and potential he would be far above everyone here. His pacifistic nature prevents that. Which is why he is at the bottom.
Superman I would say is closer to the Trans Tier than Thor is again the fact that he does a lot of holding back (which Thor also does). But when Superman goes all out it's a sight to behold. He displays gargantuan amounts of power that is something to behold. It's not even just his strength, or his heat vision. He is also has other things like his speed although that isn't as important. I just think Superman if he isn't holding back (subconsciously or consciously) he just impresses much more than Thor does. It's something we rarely see (Superman not holding back) and everyone is impressed when he doesn't.
Thor comes second because while he has impressive feats (such as hurting Glory) and he is a tough bastard with his durability He can also put a hurting on a lot of people in the Herald Tier and shows some degree of being able to affect people outside of his tier (Trans etc). I already mentioned Glory but when he can he has knocked Thanos (he may not have hurt him much if not at all but it shows he packs a ton of power). I could bring up a ton of other things but I would end up writing 30,000 + words. I just don't think at the end of it while Surfer [B]should
be much higher than these guys here (and to note he probably is, he just doesn't exhibit in comics. It's a hard thing to debate but I just find that Superman is just that bit above Thor.I should clarify in comparison to Superman Thor is absolutely not trailing in power (far from it). I just think he is just a bit above Thor. This is to say that a fight between them with them both going all out is not a Stomp for Superman. It's just Superman takes more wins than his losses.
Now if we were to go on potential at maximum capacity then it would be.
1. Surfer
2.Superman
3.ThorBut this just isn't shown in comics.
Apologies if this is a bit of a crazy write up or anything. [/B]
Great post.
This depends entirely on the opponent being fought. It's a three way tie IMO when looked at it under proper circumstances. If Superman or the Surfer battles a creature that was unable to be hit hit anything other than a magical being, or magical weapon they would be in a world of trouble. If Thor fought against a character that required him to be fazed or intangible (in terms of speed) in order to hit it, he would fail miserably, or be placed at a considerable disadvantage.
Originally posted by zopzop
Sad but true.Superman and Thor have come across as more impressive against Trans Levelers (and even some Skyfathers) than Surfer has. Makes no sense really but that's the way it is.
It actually makes perfect sense when you consider those other two have been cast in the role of The People's Champ to varying degrees. However, his performance against Messiah Cable was nice.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Honestly which heralds has surfer beaten on raw power? The only one which comes to mind is Morg but the planet exploded because of their combined power. Surfer was more durable but I don't think he could've koed him on his own power.While Morg straight up koed him and had chance of killing him but spared him.
Then, who else? Hulk straight up walked through his blasts last two times they fought in The Order and SS 125. He has one win over hulk in TTA 93 though. Thor always got better of him. Then who else?
So the one that comes to mind is the only one that might rival his own power and you are knocking it?
Originally posted by One-Punch
Looks like abhi is on his usual crusade to low-ball Surfer. What else is new?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
It actually makes perfect sense when you consider those other two have been cast in the role of The People's Champ to varying degrees. However, his performance against Messiah Cable was nice.
Thanos, the king of Marvel's Trans Tier, hasn't even displayed that level of versatility (and many times, not even scale) with his power. It doesn't make sense.
Originally posted by "Id"
Surfer beat the follwing Heralds
Beta Ray Bill
God like Cable
Nova Prime
Ravenous
Genis VellThere is more.. A lot more, but he has a big string of victories in this wight class
- Overpowered Mephisto in his own realm so save Shalla-Bal's soul. Mephisto is supposed to be nigh-omnipotent in his realm.
- Defeated Tenebrous and Aegis, both are Galactus level
- Beat Krosakis, who had Gladiator's power stacked with the Uni-Power
- Beat down classic Abomb who killed Savage Hulk
- Beat down Super Skaar tapping into his whole planet's Old Power
- Beat Red Shift without his board
- Beat Firelord twice
- Beat Uni-Lord
- Beat Durok
- Disintegrates his clone, who was equal to him in power
- Nearly splattered Super Skrulls brains with one punch
- Beat Mrrungo Muu
- Knocked out Savage Hulk with one blast