You guys are all wrong.
What makes a trans tier? Is it powerset? No. For then, Rip Hunter is trans (time manip - he'd kill your fav heralds as they were babies).
Is it powerlevel? No. For then, Wally, the fastest man alive, and Hulk, the strongest Earth based Avenger on average, would be trans.
Let's look at the list:
Tier 4 - Trans. Tier (Sub-Skyfather)Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer, Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Doomsday (H/P), Dr. Fate, Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus
Notice anything? The majority are villains.
More pertinently, the trans guys all have power - and are willing to use them. It's not only powersets and levels, but also mindsets.
Let's be honest, all three characters here are pretty damn powerful. If any one of them goes berserk/bloodlusted, they'd all be teamwreckers.
So which of the three are most willing to cut loose and use their powers to the full advantage? Thor, with his preference for Mjolnir to face combat? Surfer, with his....well, pussyfest attitude to fighting?
Or Superman?
This is my reason for choosing Supes. HOWEVER, saying that, if all three decided to go berserk, they'd all be trans. Superman just goes all out more often than not = perhaps due to his more limited powerset.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he flat out said he would be unable to do anything to him if he gets to use his magic.Thor has overpowered Mephisto in his realm. When Mephisto was actually trying to kill him.
A total non feat for Surfer.
You ignore the part where Mephisto says he's never felt such naked might, and felt so threatened. You left out the part where Surfer literally forces Mephisto onto his knees, and Mephisto attacks Shalla-Ba out of desperation.
http://i.imgur.com/ZSynuiq.jpg
I'm not surprised you'd dismiss it. You've dismissed 90% of Surfer's feats based on excuses you've pulled out of your arse.
Not nearly dying by four shots? Do you think Superman has never fought any abstracts before or something?
That's simply his bravado talking. Surfer flat out told that the power is more than he could control.
You don't know he was depowered by Bruce after he beat Hulk? And he wasn't resurrected, he was brought from Stranger's ship. He didn't overpower him, he punched him few times and showed some fancy moves. Ah, the overhyped weakened era.
You bring up context of Superman being depowered any chance you get, yet you dismiss and ignore instances when Surfer is depowered? I'm getting really tired of your double-standards.
Seriously?Then you don't know how old power works, do you? He is a geokinetic. Amped on old power he could destroy the planet. Its not strength or something.
Caiera used it to amp herself physically against Hulk:
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaiera02.jpg.html
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaiera03.jpg
And Skaar used it to amp himself physically against Juggernaut:
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2691751
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2691752
Can't say I'm surprised that you would lie about how the Old Power works in order to dismiss Surfer's feat.
Did he now? He had Red Shift from behind and hurled him into the black hole by a blast. He didn't overpower him at any time. Does not possessing his board somehow weakens Surfer? And how does creating a force field weakened him?
No, I didn't say Morg koed himself. I said Surfer and Morg's collective power blew the planet up and Morg was koed. Surfer wasn't.
The planet and moon being destroyed was a byproduct of Surfer and Morg blasting each other. Clearly Surfer's blast overpowered Morg's and knocked him out.
Ah, terrax the jobber. Quite a feat right there.
He didn't. Time travel koed Durok for some reason. Before that he throughly overpowered surfer. It wasn't. After SS v1 there is not a single evidence that Surfer was weakened. It was also retroactively retconned in Web of Spider Man 5.
It was referenced multiple times in Fantastic Four and at the beginning of SS vol 1 to remind readers that Surfer was depowered.
You bring up Superman being weaker any chance you get, and flat out ignore when Surfer's weakened?
And since when was it retconned? Another blatant lie of course. The last time you tried to claim the depowerement was retconned you posted a scan of Surfer having tea, saying he doesn't need food to nourish him. 😂
I'm talking about the same. It was duplicated by Surfer's own energies. And it was returned to Clay once surfer absorbed his powers back.
And only real surfer tried draining his energies.
He punched and broke some skin and teeth from Super Skrull. Not "nearly splattered his brain." Way to overhype the feat.
Are you going to ignore that part too?
Haha, what? Mu's ship dwarfed the planet, not his power plant.
^ A single one of Mu's ship modules dwarfed Earth. His ship is made of at least 8-10 of these modules, and the power plant was located inside one of the modules.
Surfer easily destroys a portion of the ship to blow up the power plant.
http://i.imgur.com/HTuXrL5.jpg
And all his powers were transmitted to him by his power plant. Those he absorbed from Hulk and Namor as well.
It was more directed towards the boulders and it wasn't the only attack surfer landed.
Surfer can?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You guys are all wrong.What makes a trans tier? Is it powerset? No. For then, Rip Hunter is trans (time manip - he'd kill your fav heralds as they were babies).
Is it powerlevel? No. For then, Wally, the fastest man alive, and Hulk, the strongest Earth based Avenger on average, would be trans.
Let's look at the list:
Notice anything? The majority are villains.
More pertinently, the trans guys all have power - and are willing to use them. It's not only powersets and levels, but also mindsets.
Let's be honest, all three characters here are pretty damn powerful. If any one of them goes berserk/bloodlusted, they'd all be teamwreckers.
So which of the three are most willing to cut loose and use their powers to the full advantage? Thor, with his preference for Mjolnir to face combat? Surfer, with his....well, pussyfest attitude to fighting?
Or Superman?
This is my reason for choosing Supes. HOWEVER, saying that, if all three decided to go berserk, they'd all be trans. Superman just goes all out more often than not = perhaps due to his more limited powerset.
Good post.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You guys are all wrong.What makes a trans tier? Is it powerset? No. For then, Rip Hunter is trans (time manip - he'd kill your fav heralds as they were babies).
Is it powerlevel? No. For then, Wally, the fastest man alive, and Hulk, the strongest Earth based Avenger on average, would be trans.
Let's look at the list:
Notice anything? The majority are villains.
More pertinently, the trans guys all have power - and are willing to use them. It's not only powersets and levels, but also mindsets.
Let's be honest, all three characters here are pretty damn powerful. If any one of them goes berserk/bloodlusted, they'd all be teamwreckers.
So which of the three are most willing to cut loose and use their powers to the full advantage? Thor, with his preference for Mjolnir to face combat? Surfer, with his....well, pussyfest attitude to fighting?
Or Superman?
This is my reason for choosing Supes. HOWEVER, saying that, if all three decided to go berserk, they'd all be trans. Superman just goes all out more often than not = perhaps due to his more limited powerset.
Or due to D.C. brand of story telling.
Originally posted by One-Punch
In the very same scan Surfer states he's pitting his own [b]power against Mephisto's power.You ignore the part where Mephisto says he's never felt such naked might, and felt so threatened. You left out the part where Surfer literally forces Mephisto onto his knees, and Mephisto attacks Shalla-Ba out of desperation.
http://i.imgur.com/ZSynuiq.jpg
I'm not surprised you'd dismiss it. You've dismissed 90% of Surfer's feats based on excuses you've pulled out of your arse.
You bring up a good point. Surfer was able to manipulate and surf the crunch energies to kill T&A while in a near-death state. I forgot about that part.
And in response Krosakis flat out denied his lack of control, and told Surfer he has been controlling energy long before Surfer was old enough polish himself. And control of energy is different from capacity, you realize that right? And good job ignoring what Krosakis himself has said. I think he knows his own limits more so than Surfer.
Prove that he was weakened when he fought Surfer. Surfer punched Abomb into submission, physically forced him onto his knees before KOing him with is cosmic power.
You bring up context of Superman being depowered any chance you get, yet you dismiss and ignore instances when Surfer is depowered? I'm getting really tired of your double-standards.
I don't get how you can get away with blatantly lying like this. The Old Power isn't just geokenetics. It allows it's users to amp their strength and durability.
Caiera used it to amp herself physically against Hulk:
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaiera02.jpg.html
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaiera03.jpgAnd Skaar used it to amp himself physically against Juggernaut:
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2691751
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2691752Can't say I'm surprised that you would lie about how the Old Power works in order to dismiss Surfer's feat.
Surfer physically grappled Red Shift, forcefully destroyed his swords, and blasted him away. He did all of this while at a disadvantage without his board, and a portion of his power dedicated to protect Alicia.
The planet and moon being destroyed was a byproduct of Surfer and Morg blasting each other. Clearly Surfer's blast overpowered Morg's and knocked him out.
Nice low ball.
Yes he did. They were physically fighting each other while travelling in time. When they emerged Durok was KO'd and Surfer was weary. Surfer has time traveled with people dozens of times, including with humans. It has never shown to have any negative effects.
It was referenced multiple times in Fantastic Four and at the beginning of SS vol 1 to remind readers that Surfer was depowered.
You bring up Superman being weaker any chance you get, and flat out ignore when Surfer's weakened?
And since when was it retconned? Another blatant lie of course. The last time you tried to claim the depowerement was retconned you posted a scan of Surfer having tea, saying he doesn't need food to nourish him. 😂
Did you not see the scans? It was stated like 8 times the clone was equal to Surfer in every way. Reverted to clay? He was turned into black ashes as shown in the scans I posted. Go re-read it.
No, they were both trying to drain each other. That's why the clone was shocked when he was losing and kept yelling "but we're equals!" You'll make up any excuse to dismiss a feat eh?
You obviously didn't read it fully. Did you see the part where there's pink gooey flesh where his skull was? Surfer said he "broke his bones" and "taxed his powers to the very limits" and "could crush his skull like an eggshell with a thought." He completely stomped and humiliated Super Skrull and purposely toyed with him the entire fight in front of Super Skrull's team.
Are you going to ignore that part too?
Make sure to put on your glasses for this:
^ A single one of Mu's ship modules dwarfed Earth. His ship is made of at least 8-10 of these modules, and the power plant was located inside one of the modules.
Surfer easily destroys a portion of the ship to blow up the power plant.
http://i.imgur.com/HTuXrL5.jpgNo he didn't. He specifically stored Hulk and Namor's power in his body, as stated on panel:
The explosion knocked him out. You're right, one board smack, one electricity zap, and a cosmic bolt. Taking out Hulk with 3 attacks, and without depowering him, is still pretty good. In the scans, it also says Hulk's strongest attack did no harm to Surfer.
He did depower Hulk with one attack. [/B]
Damn, that's one thorough ass kicking. Got any more lies, Abby?
Originally posted by zopzop
And if they wrote a half way competent Surfer, he'd be a Trans buster, minimum. Go back in time (which he can do under his own power) and put a power cosmic blast in between Baby Thanos' ears. /finGo back in time kidnap Baby Thor and throw him into the fires of Muspel. /fin
Believe it or not, Surfer has actually gone back in time, preventing an event from happening, in order to cause a villain in the future to cease to exist.
He did it to the Ultimate Conqueror, who had conquered and destroyed the future 616 universe.
Originally posted by Blue Area VetI could name at least 5 other poster that do the same or are worse.
Well, it's not just Abby, but he is BY FAR the worse. Since you've written this post, he's immediately gone on to say that Surfer beating Mephisto in his own realm is a non feat. Think he's say that about Superman?
Surfer didn't beat Meph in his realm though.
No poster says that about the character they champion, but that is beside my initial point.
Originally posted by One-PunchDoes he? Or is he using surprise to overpower him when he admits that Mephisto's magic is more powerful than him.
In the very same scan Surfer states he's pitting his own [b]power against Mephisto's power.
You ignore the part where Mephisto says he's never felt such naked might, and felt so threatened. You left out the part where Surfer literally forces Mephisto onto his knees, and Mephisto attacks Shalla-Ba out of desperation.And you ignore the fact that Surfer freely admit that it was a surprise attack which he pulled out before Mephisto could use his magic. But here is a gift for you.
Mephisto flat out tells surfer that all the previous times he thought he beat Mephisto, they were just illusions of defeat. In case you wonder, that's after SS v2 1.
I'm not surprised you'd dismiss it. You've dismissed 90% of Surfer's feats based on excuses you've pulled out of your arse.Yeah, right. Don't want me pulling out context for you? Don't post out of context claims.
You bring up a good point. Surfer was able to manipulate and surf the crunch energies to kill T&A while in a near-death state. I forgot about that part.And died. Good point.
And in response Krosakis flat out denied his lack of control, and told Surfer he has been controlling energy long before Surfer was old enough polish himself.So you take words from a villain and a totally new character with no backstory but not from Surfer? Some fan you are.
And control of energy is different from capacity, you realize that right? And good job ignoring what Krosakis himself has said. I think he knows his own limits more so than Surfer.Does he? Then why did he even attempt to absorb surfer?
Prove that he was weakened when he fought Surfer. Surfer punched Abomb into submission, physically forced him onto his knees before KOing him with is cosmic power.
http://www.mynetimages.com/2f6f9eb6ca_ga.jpg
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/0d14c105e4
And in this instance it stayed that way.
You bring up context of Superman being depowered any chance you get, yet you dismiss and ignore instances when Surfer is depowered? I'm getting really tired of your double-standards.I don't start posting Superman getting his strength halved by a sand monster in Superman special 1 1992 and never getting it back to inform you that Superman after that is always depowered? When I say superman is depowered, its from same arc or comic. Not from some comic 10 years ago.
I don't get how you can get away with blatantly lying like this. The Old Power isn't just geokenetics. It allows it's users to amp their strength and durability.It allows the users to amp their strength, when they channel it to do so. In case of Skaar he was using it to destroy the planet, not amp his strength.Caiera used it to amp herself physically against Hulk:
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaiera02.jpg.html
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaiera03.jpg
And Skaar used it to amp himself physically against Juggernaut:And still got manhandled like a child. But that's not useful for surfer anyway because its not actually destroying the planet via strength or energy attacks. Even a minor geokinetic like Sandy Hawkins has pulled earth together.
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2691751
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2691752
Can't say I'm surprised that you would lie about how the Old Power works in order to dismiss Surfer's feat.When you can actually have a point, you can talk to me about it. At this point you're just crying over context.
Surfer physically grappled Red Shift, forcefully destroyed his swords, and blasted him away. He did all of this while at a disadvantage without his board, and a portion of his power dedicated to protect Alicia.He never overpowered Red Shift, he grappled with him and Red Shift points out he is as strong as him.
But he overpowered him and beat him, right?
The planet and moon being destroyed was a byproduct of Surfer and Morg blasting each other. Clearly Surfer's blast overpowered Morg's and knocked him out.But it wasn't surfer's own power that did all the damage. Morg on the other hand koed Surfer clean.
Nice low ball.What? Calling terrax a jobber is now a lowball? Next you'll be saying beating Kalibak or Ronan is a feat.
Yes he did. They were physically fighting each other while travelling in time. When they emerged Durok was KO'd and Surfer was weary.Dude, are you ****ing serious with this?
Surfer was getting ****ed by Durok untill he traveled in time and Durok was koed by the strain.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111099/2987807-thor193-27.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111099/2987808-thor193-28.jpg
Those are all the pages from the time travel. But somehow Surfer koed him off panel where he failed previously? GTFO.
Surfer has time traveled with people dozens of times, including with humans. It has never shown to have any negative effects.It did with Durok. Unless surfer somehow beat him off panel while getting torn apart by space time.
It was referenced multiple times in Fantastic Four and at the beginning of SS vol 1 to remind readers that Surfer was depowered.Yes, he was depowered in SS v1. After that, it wasn't mentioned once. Heck, it was flat out retconned later.
You bring up Superman being weaker any chance you get, and flat out ignore when Surfer's weakened?
I admit he was weaker in v1. After that, nope. You can't just use that to willy nilly 25 years of comics.
And since when was it retconned? Another blatant lie of course. The last time you tried to claim the depowerement was retconned you posted a scan of Surfer having tea, saying he doesn't need food to nourish him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
[b]Myth: Silver Surfer got a permanent power down when he was drained by Sonic Shark as shown here in Fantastic Four 72.http://postimg.org/image/6vkre7ajr/
http://postimg.org/image/vxx5zh4tt/But according to that scan surfer was almost powerless after Sonic Shark drained him, here surfer may or may not allude to the same scene.
http://i.imgur.com/1U7f4b3.jpg
But how then he later appeared as powerful as ever? It was retconned years later in Webspinners: Tales of Spider-Man 5 that surfer was attacked again by the same sonic shark device again which had drained his powers before and this time he absorbed all its power which would include the stolen power from surfer.
It happened just after SS 18 when surfer fought inhumans BTW.
Here is the confirmation that this is the same Sonic Shark which was used on surfer back in FF 72.
That's the official retcon of the event AFAIK and Surfer was never depowered after SS 18 and the next he appeared.
Myth Busted. [/B]
Did you not see the scans? It was stated like 8 times the clone was equal to Surfer in every way. Reverted to clay? He was turned into black ashes as shown in the scans I posted. Go re-read it.Because he was duplicated by Surfer's own power which was reduced. And it was turned to clay since the power animating it was absorbed back by surfer.
And even that clone oneshotted Surfer at first.
No, they were both trying to drain each other. That's why the clone was shocked when he was losing and kept yelling "but we're equals!" You'll make up any excuse to dismiss a feat eh?"We're equals" somehow translates to "I'm draining you bro but your draining is better."
SMH.
You obviously didn't read it fully. Did you see the part where there's pink gooey flesh where his skull was? Surfer said he "broke his bones" and "taxed his powers to the very limits" and "could crush his skull like an eggshell with a thought."Oh you mean what Surfer said instead of what he actually did? Where did he actually "nearly splattered his brain" instead of y'know breaking part of his face?
He completely stomped and humiliated Super Skrull and purposely toyed with him the entire fight in front of Super Skrull's team.No, why would I? Bloodlusted silver surfer humiliating SS is something noteworthy?Are you going to ignore that part too?
Holy shit, you're really desperate if you think that's impressive.
Make sure to put on your glasses for this:Which was pierced by Surfer's blast and nothing else? But what does it being huge means anyway?^ A single one of Mu's ship modules dwarfed Earth. His ship is made of at least 8-10 of these modules, and the power plant was located inside one of the modules.
And? I know surfer can destroy planets already in terms of space cheese. You don't need to impress me on that front.
Surfer easily destroys a portion of the ship to blow up the power plant.
http://i.imgur.com/HTuXrL5.jpg
No he didn't. He specifically stored Hulk and Namor's power in his body, as stated on panel:Are you for real? Mu's entire energy absorption trick happened via his power module. I mean have you even read the comic or I need to post the entire comic here?
The explosion knocked him out. You're right, one board smack, one electricity zap, and a cosmic bolt.Sure, that works too. Against a far weaker hulk.
Taking out Hulk with 3 attacks, and without depowering him, is still pretty good. In the scans, it also says Hulk's strongest attack did no harm to Surfer.Hulk was weaker in those days. He got beat up by military forces FFS.
He did depower Hulk with one attack. [/B]
Means jackshit. Savage hulk had shit energy draining resistance those days.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Believe it or not, Surfer has actually gone back in time, preventing an event from happening, in order to cause a villain in the future to cease to exist.He did it to the Ultimate Conqueror, who had conquered and destroyed the future 616 universe.
So for the record, you are saying this is a cannon event?
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Look, cheerleaders.
A call for Justice over Injustice. As far as cheerleaders, you have one on the board who wants to "push our shit in" for questioning you. 😂
Oh, and by the way, Thor's Warrios Madness increased his strength ten-fold, so Surfer getting KOed by the strength of ten Thors at the same time is understandable.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
After reading his exchange with One Punch, how can you honestly say that Abby has not been lowballing and flat out lying with regard to Surfer? The proof is right here, line by line.
Lol...I don't think his post have anything to do with Surfer and probably not Abhi either. I just thinks he wants to call out names, and it's probably people he does not like. You just haven't said the right words yet for him to name these so called people that does the same things. Pointless asking him this question since his main purpose of even replying to said post is to bash a couple of individuals.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I don't think his post have anything to do with Surfer and probably not Abhi either. I just thinks he wants to call out names, and it's probably people he does not like. You just haven't said the right words yet for him to name these so called people that does the same things. Pointless asking him this question since his main purpose of even replying to said post is to bash a couple of individuals.
Well he claims this stuff bothers him, the act not the people. Hopefully he's telling the truth because no one does this shit more than that Abster.
