Closer to trans tier... · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

ghostman Senior Member

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
"Pushed Surfer's shit ?" Hey Abby, how's the weather down there?

hey blue, you have a little something on your chin there. wipe it off son

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by carver9
Based off their showings (everything counts here), who is closer to trans tier?

So, would that mean who's had the most/highest trans showings? First impressions...

Superman, I think, has the highest outlier feats, whereas Thor beats him on average. Surfer has some intense stuff too, of course, but (afaik) he has never done well against Thanos, Galactus (not as well as Thor), nor has he ever beaten Thor solidly (stalemated, yes, but not outright, on his own power, defeat). Again, this is a general impression (not an expert, am I).

I believe someone once posted that, because DC doesn't have as well developed a cosmic hierarchy as Marvel, that sometimes DC's 'A' listers have to rise to that occasion. Also, the essence of the Superman character is to always "save the day" (even when other DC superheroes fail). Surfer, otoh, is more of a philosophical platform, often tragic (it's why Stan Lee loved him), where his power is not the point.

Generally though, I consider these top 3 more/less equals, and that victory in any fight between them would be circumstance determined.

ShadowFyre Senior Member

Good match Carver. These are the top three heralds in my oppinion. All of them have hurt universal and in Thor and Supermans case hurt multiversal beings. In answer to your actual question, I must give my nods to the original superhero.

Superman
Thor/Surfer

In who I believe to be thenover all most powerfull due to powersets

Sufer
Thor
Superman

Kryptoniano Zoom

Superman. When he's all out, it's really impressive and no other in this list comes close.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by One-Punch
Here's some more off the top of my head.
- Overpowered Mephisto in his own realm so save Shalla-Bal's soul. Mephisto is supposed to be nigh-omnipotent in his realm.

By surprising him and not giving him time to use his magic. He admitted that if Mephisto gets time he is toast.

- Defeated Tenebrous and Aegis, both are Galactus level
Not under his own power.

- Beat Krosakis, who had Gladiator's power stacked with the Uni-Power
Overloaded him when we don't know his capabilities to store energy as he was already full as per his admission.

- Beat down classic Abomb who killed Savage Hulk
Not only Abom was weakened after he nearly killed hulk by banner but surfer put him to sleep. And weakened Abom is no Herald. Even Namor has pushed his shit in.

- Beat down Super Skaar tapping into his whole planet's Old Power
Skaar was using oldpower to destroy the planet not actually amping his strength. And Skaar is no Herald.

- Beat Red Shift without his board
Did he? Or did he trap him into a black hole?

- Beat Firelord twice
Only genuine win.

- Beat Uni-Lord
Holy shit, so much context is left for this.

- Beat Durok
Straight up?
😂

- Disintegrates his clone, who was equal to him in power
No, he didn't. He absorbed his power which was taken from him. He has lost twice to his clones, first by skrull surfer and by cosmic Messiah.

- Nearly splattered Super Skrulls brains with one punch
Haha, what?

- Beat Mrrungo Muu
Did he now?

- Knocked out Savage Hulk with one blast

It was a board attack. But it was also in the same time where Namor could ko him.

One-Punch B-Class Hero

Oh look. Abhi low balling every single Surfer fight, right on schedule.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by "Id"
Surfer beat the follwing Heralds
Beta Ray Bill

Suckered him with a board attack and punched him a few times. BRB was not beaten at the end.

God like Cable
Burned out Cable.

Nova Prime
Didn't beat him.

Ravenous
Killed his seeker first. And without the seeker, Ravenous would be lucky to be a meta.

Genis Vell
Legacy? GTFO.

There is more.. A lot more, but he has a big string of victories in this wight class

Does he?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by One-Punch
Oh look. Abhi low balling every single Surfer fight, right on schedule.

LOLWUT?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Carv knows better.
Except for the ones in his eyes.
👆
😂
Wondy is DC's Superman stopper. Even in new 52 he's her biatch. 😛
"Hey Clark. Bend down and assume the position. We call this Amazonian style."

Tell that to Doomsday. Or Wrath.

Not to mention the bitchslap he gives her in their fights.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by One-Punch
Iron Man's has never pushed Surfer's shit in. The best he could do is accomplish is a double KO via using his own power against him, and this was during the era when Surfer was depowered to a fraction of his original power.
Here's a more recent encounter, where Surfer tanks the combined attack of Iron Man, Wonder Man, Vision, Ms. Marvel, and Wasp after Surfer's energy was disrupted.
And the best Iron Man and his team could do is stall Surfer, they couldn't even KO him.

Well, I guess this never happened?

mmm

Sin I AM Madame Mort

Originally posted by carver9
No they are not.

of course you'd say that, u only care about feats

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by Sin I AM
of course you'd say that, u only care about feats

They're ****ing up a lot of their characters. I don't know what the hell they've been doing lately.

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by -Pr-
They're ****ing up a lot of their characters. I don't know what the hell they've been doing lately.

Maybe it's just me, but some characters seem to get a push just before a movie of them launches.

Magnon Senior Member

Superman already is above herald so he is disqualified. But no worries, I found another participant to fill the ranks:

1. Thor
2. Silver Surfer
3. Hulk

krisblaze Senior Member

Abhi's not completely lowballing.

In some of those cases he's providing context, which gets ignored so very often.

Unfortunately a lot of people only have 2 settings

"stomp"

or

"PIS contextual win"

Also some retard voted Hulk. Please die.

One-Punch B-Class Hero

Originally posted by abhilegend
By surprising him and not giving him time to use his magic. He admitted that if Mephisto gets time he is toast.

Gave him no time to cast offensive spells. Doesn't mean Mephisto's personal might was weak, given that he was in his own realm. Mephisto himself said he's never felt such raw power, and out of desperation was forced to attack Shalla.

Not under his own power.

He used his energy manipulation and surfed the cosmic crunch. If Superman was in that situation fighting two Galactus level beings how would he handle it?

Overloaded him when we don't know his capabilities to store energy as he was already full as per his admission.

Actually Krosakis said the opposite; he said he can handle this much energy and told Surfer he's been doing this since since before Surfer could walk.

Not only Abom was weakened after he nearly killed hulk by banner but surfer put him to sleep. And weakened Abom is no Herald. Even Namor has pushed his shit in.

Proof when he was ressurrected Abomb was weak? And it was Surfer who was weakened during the fight. He still physically overpowered him before knocking him out with his power cosmic. This was also during the era when Surfer was at a fraction of his power.

Skaar was using oldpower to destroy the planet not actually amping his strength. And Skaar is no Herald.

You're making stuff up.

Using the Old Power to destroy the planet doesn't automatically stop him from using it to amp himself, the Old Power flows through Skaar's veins and is an artificial Power Cosmic. That's like saying when Surfer blasts, his durability is weakened, which obviously isn't true. And planet busting isn't herald level?

Did he? Or did he trap him into a black hole?

Surfer overpowered him, destroys his swords and blasts him into the black hole. He did this without his Surfer board and after infusing some power into it and giving it to Alicia Masters to get her to safey IIRC.

Only genuine win.

😂

According to you only Morg and Firelord count. Actually, you don't even count the Morg fight because you claim Morg knocked himself out with his own energy, which is ridiculous and untrue.

Also there's the time he beat Terrax twice.

Straight up?

He knocked Durok unconscious before time dumping him. This was also a depowered Surfer.

😂 No, he didn't. He absorbed his power which was taken from him. He has lost twice to his clones, first by skrull surfer and by cosmic Messiah.

You're mixing up your clones. The first clone was created by Frankenstein and equal to him in power. Both were trying to absorb each other's power and the real Surfer won and absorbed the clone's power to the point of disintegrating him.
http://imgur.com/a/L6aO0#6
http://imgur.com/a/L6aO0#7

Haha, what?

http://imgur.com/a/5XJTr#0
http://imgur.com/a/5XJTr#1

Did he now?

He did. Surfer destroyed his power plant (which dwarfed the planet) before beating him, but Mrrungo still had Hulk and Namor's strength which he absorbed earlier, as well as his own personal might.

It was a board attack. But it was also in the same time where Namor could ko him.

No it was a cosmic blast.

This was their first meeting and before Surfer was depowered. Namor can KO Hulk with a single attack?

And even if it was a board, why would it not count? The board is part of Surfer.

One-Punch B-Class Hero

Originally posted by abhilegend
Suckered him with a board attack and punched him a few times. BRB was not beaten at the end. Burned out Cable. Didn't beat him. Killed his seeker first. And without the seeker, Ravenous would be lucky to be a meta. Legacy? GTFO. Does he?

BRB was bloody and on his knees and beaten. He was at Surfer's mercy. The only reason he was still conscious was because Surfer stopped to show mercy and talk some sense into him. Surfer himself said BRB couldn't match him.

Cable wasn't burned out during their fight, or else he wouldn't be able to do things like hold up providence, fight Surfer and help reconstruct the damage on the fly.

Ravenous isn't a meta. Meta's don't survive point blank planetary explosions.

Legacy was still a herald level. Not high herald, but still herald level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, I guess this never happened?

mmm

A double KO isn't pushing someone's shit in, and like I said, it was during the era when Surfer was depowered to a fraction of his original power.

In the more recent encounter (which I posted) where Surfer isn't depowered, Iron Man and his team couldn't KO Surfer with their combined attack, even after disrupting Surfer's energies.

Insane Titan Senior Member

Originally posted by krisblaze
Abhi's not completely lowballing.
In some of those cases he's providing context, which gets ignored so very often.
Unfortunately a lot of people only have 2 settings
"stomp"
or
"PIS contextual win"
Also some retard voted Hulk. Please die.

This post hits the nail on the head with this forum.

The Nuul Senior Member

Originally posted by Sin I AM
of course you'd say that, u only care about feats

I care about feats too, I mean that I wish that they stop treating Thor like a punching bag/jobber and start putting him back in or near the trans tier again. I want Thor fighting Thanos, attacking Galactus, uber Doom etc...

A properly written Thor is great, and it's long overdue. 👆

Blue Area Vet Restricted

Originally posted by Insane Titan
This post hits the nail on the head with this forum.

Seriously? So where's Abby's context when he claimed that Surfer couldn't beat Firelord even though the scans show Surfer had him on the ground trying to reason with him when Firelord landed a sucker blast from the ground?? Abby is the last poster on this board to champion context. Of course he's attempting to lowball and does so daily.