Iranian Agreement goes through

So a single blogger is 'general populace' now yeah? You post a link to someone having a moan about an entirely unrelated article. Comical effort. 😂 😂 😂

http://ukmediawatch.org/2014/07/10/guardian-posts-article-by-conspiracy-theorist-about-secret-cause-of-the-gaza-war/comment-page-1/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/24/1309180/-Nafeez-Ahmed-The-open-source-revolution-is-coming-and-it-will-conquer-the-1-ex-CIA-spy
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-30/latest-conspiracy-theory-iraq-accusations-emerge-us-aiding-isis
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
Haha this guy is a trip. Come back when you provide an argument.

Originally posted by Bardock42
To be fair, the others weren't telling him that he's wrong, just that his methodology was lacking.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Exactly this. I have no idea who's killed more, but I don't for a second think that Jaden has done the research to back up his claim, even if his claim were to be right.

I've done more than anyone claiming the opposite and doesn't look like anyone is going to.

Originally posted by psmith81992
http://ukmediawatch.org/2014/07/10/guardian-posts-article-by-conspiracy-theorist-about-secret-cause-of-the-gaza-war/comment-page-1/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/24/1309180/-Nafeez-Ahmed-The-open-source-revolution-is-coming-and-it-will-conquer-the-1-ex-CIA-spy
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-30/latest-conspiracy-theory-iraq-accusations-emerge-us-aiding-isis
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
Haha this guy is a trip. Come back when you provide an argument.

Come back when you've found anything even remotely related to the issue.

I've done more than anyone claiming the opposite and doesn't look like anyone is going to.

Come back when you've found anything even remotely related to the issue.

But yeah, Jaden makes big claims all the time

But mostly it points out that he has no idea what he's taking about.

Originally posted by psmith81992
By citing incorrect numbers from wikipedia and screaming "prove me wrong"? Lol

This is coming from someone who can only post 911 truther articles.

👆

Refuted this yet?
http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdf

Refuted my argument that the US has killed more people in 250 years than Iran has in 2500?

No?

Come back when you do, son.

Originally posted by jaden101
Come back when you've found anything even remotely related to the issue.

He's a "last word" troll, don't get drawn in Jaden, he'll come back again and with nothing but try and get you to produce something. Whilst posting irrelevancies continuously. He want's to be someone on a forum and is relentless in his pursuit of this goal. Clearly he has little in his life it's why he has so much time to post and its why it's so important to him to have the last word.

Originally posted by jaden101
Refuted this yet?
http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdf

Refuted my argument that the US has killed more people in 250 years than Iran has in 2500?

No?

Come back when you do, son.

Haha this guy is a trip. Come back when you provide an argument.

Originally posted by jaden101
I'll just leave this here shall I?
http://www.sott.net/article/273517-Study-US-regime-has-killed-20-30-million-people-since-World-War-Two

I honestly have no idea on the Persian/Iran Vs US kill-murder-deaths, but the numbers are probably going to be skewed unless you factor in the populations at the time.

eg while 15,000 deaths might not seem like a lot in a large war, when you factor in the population of the world in say 900AD compared to the pop in say 1942 or 2005, killing 15,000 might actually be high by comparison. But again, I have no real idea in terms of actual figures. It'd probably take some ridiculous amount of number crunching.

But I'd not be surprised if the US has the largest kill count when factoring population increase since the US was founded, the overthrowing of "unfriendly" governments, arms deals, destabilizations of countries and what have you, as outright war is only one way to kill.

Originally posted by Robtard
But I'd not be surprised if the US has the largest kill count when factoring in the overthrowing of "unfriendly" governments, arms deals, destabilizations of countries and what have you, as outright war is only one way to kill

Again, I have no real idea. But it's probably not fair just to count wartime deaths and the US has had its fingers in more than just a few cookie jars.

edit:

Google search gives it to Mao, with 78mil

Runners Up: Stalin 23mil, Hitler 17mil, Leopold II (Belgium) 15mil

Have to say, 78mil would be hard to beat. That was just one site though, numbers vary

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, I have no real idea. But it's probably not fair just to count wartime deaths.

Mao's death count didn't include wars. Russia lost 11 million soldiers during the war, and another 20-25 million civilians. Pot killed between 1-3 million people in 4 years. There's been quite a few dictators that did more than the US ever could I think.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Love the parrot who screams "prove me wrong" 😂

Give it a go then. You clearly think it'll be easy so you should have no problem. I'm open to evidence to the contrary.

Originally posted by Robtard
I honestly have no idea on the Persian/Iran Vs US kill-murder-deaths, but the numbers are probably going to be skewed unless you factor in the populations at the time.

eg while 15,000 deaths might not seem like a lot in a large war, when you factor in the population of the world in say 900AD compared to the pop in say 1942 or 2005, killing 15,000 might actually be high by comparison. But again, I have no real idea in terms of actual figures. It'd probably take some ridiculous amount of number crunching.

But I'd not be surprised if the US has the largest kill count when factoring population increase since the US was founded, the overthrowing of "unfriendly" governments, arms deals, destabilizations of countries and what have you, as outright war is only one way to kill.

Also, I'm not sure what the real takeaway is if it does turn out that the USA has killed more people, unless Jaden's going to argue that it means Ancient Persia was a "nicer" nation than America is. In which case I'll let him have his echo chamber.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Mao's death count didn't include wars. Russia lost 11 million soldiers during the war, and another 20-25 million civilians. Pot killed between 1-3 million people in 4 years. There's been quite a few dictators that did more than the US ever could I think.

If you're talking relatively then you'd have to put the Rwandans up there as well. A million in 100 days mostly by machete and other non firearm means. Crazy number.

Originally posted by jaden101
Refuted this yet?
http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdf

Refuted my argument that the US has killed more people in 250 years than Iran has in 2500?

No?

Come back when you do, son.

I have no doubt that you're correct but... so what? Only reason why U.S. has killed more is because Iran has never had the resources or the means to wage war on the scale that the U.S. has. Your statement is true but it's not like it proves that Iran is some country of saints or something. If Iran were even remotely as powerful as the United States (either conventionally or nuclear) do you really think your statement would still be true? Seriously?

Originally posted by Knife
He's a "last word" troll, don't get drawn in Jaden, he'll come back again and with nothing but try and get you to produce something. Whilst posting irrelevancies continuously. He want's to be someone on a forum and is relentless in his pursuit of this goal. Clearly he has little in his life it's why he has so much time to post and its why it's so important to him to have the last word.

He can have the last word if he wants. I'll still be right.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Mao's death count didn't include wars. Russia lost 11 million soldiers during the war, and another 20-25 million civilians. Pot killed between 1-3 million people in 4 years. There's been quite a few dictators that did more than the US ever could I think.

eg 200K or so civilians alone died or disappeared during the Guatemalan civil war. Which the US had it's hand in via the CIA.

Not saying "look, this proves the numbers", just giving an example.

Originally posted by Star428
I have no doubt that you're correct but... so what? Only reason why U.S. has killed more is because Iran has never had the resources or the means to wage war on the scale that the U.S. has. Your statement is true but it's not like it proves that Iran is some country of saints or something. If Iran were even remotely as powerful as the United States (either conventionally or nuclear) do you really think your statement would still be true? Seriously?

I have no idea. That would depend on that hypothetical Iran's ambitions in the world. The US' is clearly to dominate other countries militarily so it can dominate them economically. I would imagine Iran's motives would be more religious sectarian Shia/Sunni than an economic one which would limit where in the world it would exert that hypothetical power.

I'm also not trying to paint Iran as a saint. I'm simply saying that painting the US as having a moral superiority in terms of waging war is nonsensical given the abundance of evidence to the contrary.

Originally posted by jaden101
He can have the last word if he wants. I'll still be right.

Except you aren't. No amount of denial will change that. The fact that you keep screaming "prove me wrong" confirms this :wink:

Furthermore, I've already provided you with at least two dictators who did more damage than the US ever could. Good luck 👆

Also, I'm not sure what the real takeaway is if it does turn out that the USA has killed more people, unless Jaden's going to argue that it means Ancient Persia was a "nicer" nation than America is. In which case I'll let him have his echo chamber.