Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
If they could be trusted ok, when they say they are going to wipe Israel off the map and chant death to America, when they write books and publish them on how to destroy Israel and outwit America.
So now they can't even build defenses in your mind. Weird.
Why don't your react like this when N.Korea waves its little dick and makes threats? Especially considering they do have nukes and their leader is actually probably unstable due to his upbringing. Why is Iran so special in garnering your distrust?
Originally posted by Robtard
So now they can't even build defenses in your mind. Weird.Why don't your react like this when N.Korea waves its little dick and makes threats? Especially considering they do have nukes and their leader is actually probably unstable due to his upbringing. Why is Iran so special in garnering your distrust?
Probably unstable? That's like saying Obama is probably black or W is probably a redneck.
Originally posted by Robtard
So now they can't even build defenses in your mind. Weird.Why don't your react like this when N.Korea waves its little dick and makes threats? Especially considering they do have nukes and their leader is actually probably unstable due to his upbringing. Why is Iran so special in garnering your distrust?
Nice, trying to change subject
You're the one that made it all about Iran being untrustworthy and dangerous.
See:
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
If they could be trusted ok, when they say they are going to wipe Israel off the map and chant death to America, when they write books and publish them on how to destroy Israel and outwit America.
So my questions stand.
It's poor form to dodge questions and then ask your own, TI.
Anyhow, the S-300 thing isn't done, with the US/P5+1 (not Russia) having raised complaints/concerns towards both Iran and Russia. You make it seem like the S-300 sale is part of the Iran nuclear deal.
If I had to guess, it seems like Russia is waving its dick, maybe they're trying to sour the deal, maybe they're angling to get something out of not selling. Not sure.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
If they could be trusted ok, when they say they are going to wipe Israel off the map and chant death to America, when they write books and publish them on how to destroy Israel and outwit America.
On the exact same day that they made this deal no less. Burning American and Israeli flags too. Anyone who think Iran can be trusted is ridiculously naive.
Originally posted by Robtard
It's poor form to dodge questions and then ask your own, TI.Anyhow, the S-300 thing isn't done, with the US/P5+1 (not Russia) having raised complaints/concerns towards both Iran and Russia. You make it seem like the S-300 sale is part of the Iran nuclear deal.
If I had to guess, it seems like Russia is waving its dick, maybe they're trying to sour the deal, maybe they're angling to get something out of not selling. Not sure.
I never said it was part of the deal. The bad deal that allows the to self inspect and report their findings to the UN, is that the deal your talking about?
Again, it's not as if Iran is the only party that's going to be inspecting.
As for the S-300, there's a decent chance that Russia will pull back at the last second in exchange for some kind of deal with Israel. I don't know what Israel could offer them, but Russia has in the past shown it values at least cordial relations with Israel.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Again, it's not as if Iran is the only party that's going to be inspecting.As for the S-300, there's a decent chance that Russia will pull back at the last second in exchange for some kind of deal with Israel. I don't know what Israel could offer them, but Russia has in the past shown it values at least cordial relations with Israel.
So you are going to trust a bunch of backwater country's that had little do with this deal and don't have the US best interests at heart, Who made the deal Omega, have you gone ignorant now on this, you almost had me convinced at one time this was a good deal, we are well away from that now.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So you are going to trust a bunch of backwater country's that had little do with this deal and don't have the US best interests at heart, Who made the deal Omega, have you gone ignorant now on this, you almost had me convinced at one time this was a good deal, we are well away from that now.
I don't think that's my fault. My impression is that you've gone out of your way to search for any news update that might cast doubt on the deal's efficacy and avoided reading anything that might support it.
I on the other hand understand the problems with the deal but still think it's better than the alternative, which is no deal, which would give us all of zero leverage on Iran.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
EXCUSE ME.ARE YOU FING INSANE?
What don't you get about the complete reversal in this deal!!!!!?
"TRUST BUT VERIFY!!"
YET WE CANT VERIFY and ITS OUR DEAL!!
I'm not looking for anything but the obvious truth which you blindly ignore!!
YOU REFUSE TO ACCEPT FACTS!!
Iran will do everything it can to obstruct inspections within the letter of the agreement, but any kind of inspections is an improvement over what we have now, which is nothing.
If you were expecting an agreement where Iran surrendered its sovereignty to America and allowed snap inspections anywhere in the country you were always going to be disappointed.
If the agreement is ratified by America and Iran, the worst case scenario is that Iran reneges on everything and continues to pursue nuclear weapons, and they'll be maybe a few weeks to a few months away from making it happen, which is EXACTLY where we are now. They'll just become increasingly isolated from the global community and the rest of the Middle East will prepare for war, which in the long term will be very bad for Iran. The last thing Iran wants is a nuclear standoff with an increasingly hawkish and ballsy Saudi Arabia.
I've said it before: the notion that we could actually stop Iran from getting a weapon if they really wanted one badly enough was always an illusion. If North Korea can go nuclear under worse sanctions than Iran is under and with fewer resources then Iran can definitely do the same.
Once you realize this, you should start to see that the deal is the best hope of resolving the debacle.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you were expecting an agreement where Iran surrendered its sovereignty to America and allowed snap inspections anywhere in the country you were always going to be disappointed.
That's the issue, the only deal some people would consider is nothing short of Iran bending over, spreading its collective asscheeks; while allowing the US unobstructed pounding.
Originally posted by Robtard
That's the issue, the only deal some people would consider is nothing short of Iran bending over, spreading its collective asscheeks; while allowing the US unobstructed pounding.
Yes everyone should bow, we are the shining city on the hill remember according to Liberals.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yes everyone should bow, we are the shining city on the hill remember according to Liberals.
"Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality." -Google circa just now
Why do you hate liberty and equality so much? Do you have liberals for their freedom? Prick a liberal, does he not bleed?