Originally posted by Robtard
"Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality." -Google circa just nowWhy do you hate liberty and equality so much? Do you have liberals for their freedom? Prick a liberal, does he not bleed?
Are you going to attempt to differentiate between classical liberalism and modern liberalism?
Originally posted by Robtard
"Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality." -Google circa just nowWhy do you hate liberty and equality so much? Do you have liberals for their freedom? Prick a liberal, does he not bleed?
Liberty for some at the expense of others does not sound like liberty.
Originally posted by psmith81992
I see, I guess you and TI are on the same level then.
So you enjoy being a passive aggressive troll, or does it come naturally? Don't mention me unless you want to come at me head on about an issue.
Saying Rob and I are on the same level is a joke if you think I stand for that liberalism.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So you enjoy being a passive aggressive troll, or does it come naturally? Don't mention me unless you want to come at me head on about an issue.Saying Rob and I are on the same level is a joke if you think I stand for that liberalism.
As usual, you can't read and all we get from you is this:
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Calm down lol.Iran will do everything it can to obstruct inspections within the letter of the agreement, but any kind of inspections is an improvement over what we have now, which is nothing.
If you were expecting an agreement where Iran surrendered its sovereignty to America and allowed snap inspections anywhere in the country you were always going to be disappointed.
If the agreement is ratified by America and Iran, the worst case scenario is that Iran reneges on everything and continues to pursue nuclear weapons, and they'll be maybe a few weeks to a few months away from making it happen, which is EXACTLY where we are now. They'll just become increasingly isolated from the global community and the rest of the Middle East will prepare for war, which in the long term will be very bad for Iran. The last thing Iran wants is a nuclear standoff with an increasingly hawkish and ballsy Saudi Arabia.
I've said it before: the notion that we could actually stop Iran from getting a weapon if they really wanted one badly enough was always an illusion. If North Korea can go nuclear under worse sanctions than Iran is under and with fewer resources then Iran can definitely do the same.
Once you realize this, you should start to see that the deal is the best hope of resolving the debacle.
You stick to the same rhetoric as Obama.
Yet he originally said "no deal is better then a bad deal"
You can't deny this is a bad deal.
The international community could have stayed tight on sanctions and kept them repressed until there was a regime change.
As of now, Iran is the #1 state wondered terrorist organization hell bent on wiping US and Israel off the map.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You can't deny this is a bad deal.The international community could have stayed tight on sanctions and kept them repressed until there was a regime change.
Your option is just playing the waiting game? I thought you considered ISIS a threat? These measures were taken so Iran could fight them better right now. Not in the next regime.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
The international community could have stayed tight on sanctions and kept them repressed until there was a regime change.
Sanctions did manage to get a more moderate president elected, which is what led to the talks and the deal in the first place, which was a bend in Iran's will, but you're talking about an absolute collapse, and if you think an America or Israel-friendly regime would rise up after that collapse, you clearly know nothing about Iran. If anything the new regime would be worse.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialBecause hard sanctions have such a high success rate toppling regimes. Just look at North Korea or Cuba.
You stick to the same rhetoric as Obama.Yet he originally said "no deal is better then a bad deal"
You can't deny this is a bad deal.
The international community could have stayed tight on sanctions and kept them repressed until there was a regime change.
As of now, Iran is the #1 state wondered terrorist organization hell bent on wiping US and Israel off the map.
Originally posted by Newjak
Because hard sanctions have such a high success rate toppling regimes. Just look at North Korea or Cuba.
Those countries did not have any internal opposition which is something Iran posseses in spades. Sadly, the antagonism from western countries only gave strength to the most conservative factions in Iran making them what they are today.
We were mostly giving them ammo for their propaganda guns.