Self Defense

Originally posted by Bardock42
There are 0.2 (per 100.000) gun homicides in Germany per year, as opposed to 3.5 in the US. So yes, this does happen almost 18 times as often in the US.

your conclusion if false. bad math.

Originally posted by Bardock42
There are 0.2 (per 100.000) gun homicides in Germany per year, as opposed to 3.5 in the US. So yes, this does happen almost 18 times as often in the US.

And look at the population difference😂

80 million vs 320 million.

yes TI bardock's math didnt account for population difference. gun homicides occur far more frequently compared to germany than bardock stated. so you have no reason to mock and gloat. his mistake was that he drastically understated how incorrect you are.

Originally posted by Bardock42
There are 0.2 (per 100.000) gun homicides in Germany per year, as opposed to 3.5 in the US. So yes, this does happen almost 18 times as often in the US.

And America has a population over 300 Million vs Germany's 83 Million. SO yes. Things will happen here more because there are MORE people.

And not all Home Invasions involve the invader using a gun.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
yes TI bardock's math didnt account for population difference. gun homicides occur far more frequently compared to germany than bardock stated. so you have no reason to mock and gloat.

😆

I always knew you were smarter then Bardock

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
And look at the population difference😂

80 million vs 320 million.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]
And America has a population over 300 Million vs Germany's 83 Million. SO yes. Things will happen here more because there are MORE people.

And not all Home Invasions involve the invader using a gun.

[/B]

P-per 100,000....

"So yes, this does happen almost 18 times as often in the US."

your conclusion was false. deal with it. it's much more than 18. i know what you meant but you worded it poorly.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
"So yes, this does happen almost 18 times as often in the US."

your conclusion was false. deal with it. it's much more than 18

Yeah, I took your quote out, cause you were correct.

so...do the proper math.

Well we do have more people, but not exactly 18 times more people.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
so...do the proper math.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well we do have more people, but not exactly 18 times more people.

per 100,000 population, u.s. has 18 times more gun homicides than germany. thats what he meant.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay, this happens 72 more often in the US than in Germany

Did your calculator overheat in this rushed quest for facts session?

Originally posted by Surtur
With the way some cops here act I'd be uncomfortable if they were the only ones legally allowed guns, and I don't even own any guns.

Well cops don't carry guns in my country. You see, this is all about culture; American cops have to carry guns because the US is a gun-heavy culture., The problem is, a lot of US cops just aren't very good with their guns- again, quick to draw, quick to fire. It's close to inevitable when gun usage is so deeply engrained at all levels. And then the arms race goes on, as a lot of US police forces become increasingly militarised, and the the criminals do the same,m and so on.

That's why I said I would not propose just instantly taking all guns away from the US- it has to be part of a very long process of cultural change.

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And yes, let's just nip this intellectual failure in the bud- Bardock was talking of rates not raw numbers, so saying the US has a higher population is irrelevant. Let's not go any further down that blind alley.

the following has been exposed as fabricated nonesense and we can all move on. thank you bardock. (72 times fml)

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Yes they do. Its just not popular to talk about it. Well their socialist/progressive media doesn't like too talk about it......much like our media. [/B]

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
And look at the population difference😂

80 million vs 320 million.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]
And America has a population over 300 Million vs Germany's 83 Million. SO yes. Things will happen here more because there are MORE people.

And not all Home Invasions involve the invader using a gun.

[/B]

Originally posted by Surtur
Well we do have more people, but not exactly 18 times more people.

Okay, so just so we are clear, this is really embarrassing for you guys, but I'm not sure you are aware of it.

The number I used was how often it happens out of 100,000 people. This is the most fair (and the better looking stat for your side of the story). By looking at this stat we see how likely it is to happen to you. So in the US you are 18 times more likely to be murdered with a gun than in Germany.

Like Bashar pointed out, there are actually 72 times as many gun homicides in the US, but as you pointed out it has a bigger population, so we shouldn't count that against it.

I get the point about the correction in rates, I just was noting that it would actually still make the US look bad, given our population is not 18 times as large so if we did have 18 times that many..well, you get what I'm saying. So I don't see it as embarrassing. Well for me anyways, can't speak on the intent of others.

As for no cops carrying guns. As I said, I'd be all for it, as long as we could also make sure none of the criminals are carrying any. This is not like a stop light or drugs, I can't kill someone else with a red light and the only way I'm killing someone with a drug is if I tamper with it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay, so just so we are clear, this is really embarrassing for you guys, but I'm not sure you are aware of it.

The number I used was how often it happens out of 100,000 people. This is the most fair (and the better looking stat for your side of the story). By looking at this stat we see how likely it is to happen to you. So in the US you are 18 times more likely to be murdered with a gun than in Germany.

Like Bashar pointed out, there are actually 72 times as many gun homicides in the US, but as you pointed out it has a bigger population, so we shouldn't count that against it.

And you do realize the area's that have all these homicides are Chicago, Philadelphia, and Detroit and Baltimore. Cities where the liberal policies failed, most of these homicides and murders are black on black crime. So its obvious what is going on.

You can never make sure that no criminals carry guns, but I would advocate that the UK example shows that this is not the issue you worry it would be- in the right culture.

Originally posted by Surtur
I get the point about the correction in rates, I just was noting that it would actually still make the US look bad, given our population is not 18 times as large so if we did have 18 times that many..well, you get what I'm saying. So I don't see it as embarrassing.

only if you post the total gun homicides in comparison would it be unfair. per 100,000 population eliminates that. compelling enough for me to easily dismiss anyone who claims that germany has any sort of significant gun homicide problem when compared to the u.s. (thats what sprung this whole tangent)