Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Oh sure mentioning gas and California is how it ended, it started with you throwing insults. I see your in damage control now and blame shift though, be my guest.
Not really.
Take a look at the last few posts. You blamed me for bringing up gas and California, I then posted a quote from you, claiming and showing that it was actually you who brought it up initially. You disagreed and then retorted by posting quotes of me explicitly not mentioning gas or California. And now I am in damage control.
Originally posted by BackFire
Not really.Take a look at the last few posts. You blamed me for bringing up gas and California, I then posted a quote from you, claiming and showing that it was actually you who brought it up initially. You disagreed and then retorted by posting quotes of me explicitly not mentioning gas or California. And now I am in damage control.
A "No you!"
You started with name calling and proceeded to go on, so I went along.
I personally have no problem with abortion. We had to give speeches on certain issues in our junior year of high school that were for or against a certain issue of our choosing. My speech was about being pro choice, and you can guess how well that went over in a Catholic School.
I just wish that since after conception women have the option to terminate the pregnancy, men should likewise have some way to terminate their obligations as fathers.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Maybe women should be more responsible and not spread their legs for every swinging dick that passes by. Then to not have to kill off their offspring cause of their screw up.
Seems like people are losing their shit over this post so I'll chime in with a placating counterbalancing perspective:
Maybe women should be more responsible and not spread their legs for every swinging dick that passes by. Then to not have to kill off their offspring because of their screw up.
Maybe men should be more responsible and not raw-dog splooge into every juicy cooter that passes by. Then to not have to kill off their offspring because of their screw up.
But my actual preference is just for all men, unless they explicitly want children, to get this treatment before becoming sexually active (with repeat treatment every 8 years):
http://www.healthline.com/health-news/male-birth-control-procedure-in-trials-012313#2
I feel like a spokesperson for Vasalgel, at this point. 😐 But putting the power of birth control into the hands of men with a very easy "fire and forget" contraceptive solution, should stop tons and tons of unwanted pregnancies. In fact, when this is FDA approved, I think it should be offered to all early high school student boys for free. I see this solution as being both a financial and emotional benefit to young women. I don't think young women should have to decide to abort: they shouldn't even be in that position to begin with. It really should be a last resort in a very strange situation. And it most certainly should not be used as a birth control alternative. Also, contrary to popular belief, abortions are not as simple as getting your blood pressure checked: there is a safety factor. While we are improving, there are still other medical issues and risks associated with an abortion: why risk it?
Okay, off my soapbox.
TL : DR - Shift the burden more onto men for contraception. Seems, at least in the US, that there is too much blame put on women for getting pregnant. It is just as much the men's fault for an unwanted pregnancy.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Seems like people are losing their shit over this post so I'll chime in with a placating counterbalancing perspective:Maybe women should be more responsible and not spread their legs for every swinging dick that passes by. Then to not have to kill off their offspring because of their screw up.
Maybe men should be more responsible and not raw-dog splooge into every juicy cooter that passes by. Then to not have to kill off their offspring because of their screw up.
But my actual preference is just for all men, unless they explicitly want children, to get this treatment before becoming sexually active (with repeat treatment every 8 years):
http://www.healthline.com/health-news/male-birth-control-procedure-in-trials-012313#2
I feel like a spokesperson for Vasalgel, at this point. 😐 But putting the power of birth control into the hands of men with a very easy "fire and forget" contraceptive solution, should stop tons and tons of unwanted pregnancies. In fact, when this is FDA approved, I think it should be offered to all early high school student boys for free. I see this solution as being both a financial and emotional benefit to young women. I don't think young women should have to decide to abort: they shouldn't even be in that position to begin with. It really should be a last resort in a very strange situation. And it most certainly should not be used as a birth control alternative. Also, contrary to popular belief, abortions are not as simple as getting your blood pressure checked: there is a safety factor. While we are improving, there are still other medical issues and risks associated with an abortion: why risk it?
Okay, off my soapbox.
TL : DR - Shift the burden more onto men for contraception. Seems, at least in the US, that there is too much blame put on women for getting pregnant. It is just as much the men's fault for an unwanted pregnancy.
There are some very disappointing and misogynistic comments made in this thread.
Planned Parenthood has its good parts and bad parts. But the thing most people don't seem to get is that it is not some abortion factory franchise. It provides women with access to exams and medication that they may not have otherwise. We need such a resource, especially since access to medication whether used for contraception or not is apparently something employers have the right to impede in this country.
If men don't want to get women pregnant, then they should have a vasectomy.
Originally posted by Shinobi Popcorn
We need such a resource, especially since access to medication [b]whether used for contraception or not is apparently something employers have the right to impede in this country.[/B]
Here's the problem:
It should not be the responsibility of employers to begin with.
Originally posted by Shinobi Popcorn
There are some very disappointing and misogynistic comments made in this thread.Planned Parenthood has its good parts and bad parts. But the thing most people don't seem to get is that it is not some abortion factory franchise. It provides women with access to exams and medication that they may not have otherwise. We need such a resource, especially since access to medication [b]whether used for contraception or not
is apparently something employers have the right to impede in this country.If men don't want to get women pregnant, then they should have a vasectomy. [/B]
Here is my problem though, it's always MEN told this. Not about a specific vasectomy, but about sex. "If you don't want a baby then wrap it up" is a saying I hear a lot. I never hear anyone say "if you don't want a baby get on the pill" or any of the other female contraceptives out there.
I think both people need to take responsibility. If a guy knows a woman is not on the pill, then either do not bang her or use some kind of protection unless you want a baby. But females: if you are not on the pill and you know the guy you are about to let bang you is not wearing a condom then stop and think if you want a child with this man. Stop and think if this man actually WANTS a child with you, stop and think if the man can pay to support the child, stop and think if the man would be a good father. If the answer to any of these questions is "no" or "I don't know" then do not bang him. Not enough women think it through, and why is that? Because they have a friggin out if they decide they don't want the kid.
But that is the thing, for some women in this country getting knocked up is a meal ticket. They know the government will take care of them, and they can squeeze the father for child support until he bleeds or is put in jail. Oh and that child support? No restrictions in place that I know of to stop the woman from spending it for shit for herself instead of the kid(you hear stories like this all the time about women doing this, new hair, new clothes, etc. always on the child's fathers dime).
I still think if women can terminate a pregnancy men should be able to terminate their rights as a father. Women have a certain amount of time to get an abortion in this country, men should have the same amount of time to decide if they want to sign away their rights. Fair is fair, gender equality is gender equality. If women can shirk responsibility and just terminate it after the fact then men should be able to as well. But this is an issue most people do not see as important, despite how royally f*cked over fathers in this country can become.