Planned Parenthood Breaks the Law

Originally posted by Surtur
Here is my problem though, it's always MEN told this. Not about a specific vasectomy, but about sex. "If you don't want a baby then wrap it up" is a saying I hear a lot. I never hear anyone say "if you don't want a baby get on the pill" or any of the other female contraceptives out there.

ARE YOU ****ING JOKING?

Women are constantly told to abstain, be pure, other bullshit. They get almost solely blamed for pregnancy and have to deal with the consequences. It happened in this very thread again, which even brought up the conversation.

Bacteria on the moon can be called life but a baby in the womb with a heart beat is not considered life on earth.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Bacteria on the moon can be called life but a baby in the womb with a heart beat is not considered life on earth.

You are mixing up two different meanings of the word life. Yes, plants and bacteria are life, and in the same vein, a fetus in the womb is life, legally we talk about a human life though with human rights and responsibilities, that a fetus is not.

Originally posted by Bardock42
ARE YOU ****ING JOKING?

Women are constantly told to abstain, be pure, other bullshit. They get almost solely blamed for pregnancy and have to deal with the consequences. It happened in this very thread again, which even brought up the conversation.

Yes they are told to abstain. But that isn't what I said. I said I don't often hear people saying the equivalent of "wrap it up" to them.

Not that it is never uttered, but it seems to be for women "abstain" and for men "wrap that shit up".

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes they are told to abstain. But that isn't what I said. I said I don't often hear people saying the equivalent of "wrap it up" to them.

Not that it is never uttered, but it seems to be for women "abstain" and for men "wrap that shit up".

Telling them to abstain is the same as telling them to wrap it up (and telling women they shouldn't have sex is much more common). It's a form of birth control (albeit one that is not very realistic) that people want to force on women (and usually not men as much). At any rate, campaigns for condoms are also often aimed at women (who will often also be required to supply that birth control to their lovers).

Originally posted by Bardock42
Telling them to abstain is the same as telling them to wrap it up. It's a form of birth control (albeit one that is not very realistic) that people want to force on women (and usually not men as much). At any rate, campaigns for condoms are also often aimed at women (who will often also be required to supply that birth control to their lovers).

But using abstinence as a form of "birth control" is, like you said, silly. Which is why I'd prefer people be realistic and just tell them to wrap it up.

Condom campaigns are aimed at women, but those are not female condoms, but condoms for men.

I also don't see abstinence as the same. The "wrap it up" is saying..if you are going to bang someone then use protection. The "wrap it up" implies sex will happen, so be safe. Abstinence does not discuss anything about using protection if you find yourself not strong enough to adhere to it. Just look at Bristol Palin.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Bacteria on the moon can be called life but a baby in the womb with a heart beat is not considered life on earth.

Originally posted by Surtur
But using abstinence as a form of "birth control" is, like you said, silly. Which is why I'd prefer people be realistic and just tell them to wrap it up.

Condom campaigns are aimed at women, but those are not female condoms, but condoms for men.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You are mixing up two different meanings of the word life. Yes, plants and bacteria are life, and in the same vein, a fetus in the womb is life, legally we talk about a human life though with human rights and responsibilities, that a fetus is not.

Plants and animals are not a bi product of human reproduction.

Speaking of abortion I have always wondered, what if the father of the kid really wants the child. What if he has offered to take full care of it..and the guy is wealthy and they do a psych evaluation and find he is fit to be a parent. Could a woman in this situation still get an abortion?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
If the ad is targeted at women, then that suggests the onus is on women...

Yes..but that means the ad is focusing on women buying condoms..so they can go have a man wear them. That is not telling women to wrap it up. That is telling women "tell your man to wrap it up".

Originally posted by Surtur
But using abstinence as a form of "birth control" is, like you said, silly. Which is why I'd prefer people be realistic and just tell them to wrap it up.

Condom campaigns are aimed at women, but those are not female condoms, but condoms for men.

I also don't see abstinence as the same. The "wrap it up" is saying..if you are going to bang someone then use protection. The "wrap it up" implies sex will happen, so be safe. Abstinence does not discuss anything about using protection if you find yourself not strong enough to adhere to it. Just look at Bristol Palin.

Yes, because condoms for men have an advantage that the pills doesn't have (namely protection from STDs). Female condoms do offer protection from STDs, although they are much less safe than male condoms, and they cost more to buy, making them a less ubiquitous and easy choice. I still think it's good to advertise female condoms, but there are reasons for why male condoms are superior for public health and safety.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Plants and animals are not a bi product of human reproduction.

Yeah, a placenta is though, and you are not arguing for giving those human tissues equal rights.

Originally posted by Bardock42
At any rate, campaigns for condoms are also often aimed at women (who will often also be required to supply that birth control to their lovers).

or it could just be that women tend to be more responsible with birth control considering their potential consequences far outweigh that of the men's.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
or it could just be that women tend to be more responsible with birth control considering their potential consequences far outweigh that of the men's.

Yes, we are in agreement. Are you taking offense to the second part? Because I didn't mean to imply that the part in parentheses is the reason why they are aimed at women, it's an unrelated point.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, because condoms for men have an advantage that the pills doesn't have (namely protection from STDs). Female condoms do offer protection from STDs, although they are much less safe than male condoms, and they cost more to buy, making them a less ubiquitous and easy choice. I still think it's good to advertise female condoms, but there are reasons for why male condoms are superior for public health and safety.

Yes, but I'm not arguing against any of that. My original comment was wishing women would be told to wrap it up more. They do get blamed, and they do get told to abstain, but how many condom commercials do you see specifically targeted at women? For me, they are usually the ones not for normal stuff, but for those "ribbed for her pleasure" stuff.

In other words I wish people would recognize women like to bone just as much as men, and thus telling them to abstain is silly, and simply relying on essentially the idea of "have the woman tell the dude to put a condom on" I'd like if they advertised female condoms as well.

On another note I hate condoms because sometimes you really can't feel the full sensation. We have condoms created to increase the pleasure of women, so maybe they have condoms created to increase the pleasure of men as well..I've just never ever heard of one or seen one advertised.

But anyways, what about abortion? Do you think men should be able to "terminate" their rights as a father the same way a woman can terminate a pregnancy?

Braddock, You still glossed over OP they are selling body parts for profit which is illegal.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, but I'm not arguing against any of that. My original comment was wishing women would be told to wrap it up more. They do get blamed, and they do get told to abstain, but how many condom commercials do you see specifically targeted at women? For me, they are usually the ones not for normal stuff, but for those "ribbed for her pleasure" stuff.

In other words I wish people would recognize women like to bone just as much as men, and thus telling them to abstain is silly, and simply relying on essentially the idea of "have the woman tell the dude to put a condom on" I'd like if they advertised female condoms as well.

On another note I hate condoms because sometimes you really can't feel the full sensation. We have condoms created to increase the pleasure of women, so maybe they have condoms created to increase the pleasure of men as well..I've just never ever heard of one or seen one advertised.

But anyways, what about abortion? Do you think men should be able to "terminate" their rights as a father the same way a woman can terminate a pregnancy?

And here you go, you're welcome:

http://www.amazon.com/Durex-Avanti-Polyisoprene-Lubricated-Condoms/dp/B00GUFUW1G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1437755790&sr=8-2&keywords=durex

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Braddock, You still glossed over OP they are selling body parts for profit which is illegal.

I didn't gloss over it, have you forgotten the last couple pages? I explained why I don't think either of the videos shows that human body parts are sold for profit and I said that it should obviously be investigated by the authorities.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, we are in agreement. Are you taking offense to the second part? Because I didn't mean to imply that the part in parentheses is the reason why they are aimed at women, it's an unrelated point.

just seemed that you were suggesting that the responsibility of birth control is typically forced on the women, whereas i suggest that it's more a case of women volunteering out of a (too often justified) mistrust of men's sense of responsibility. granted, this "not on my dollar" attitude does exist among douchey cheapskates looking for an excuse to not buy condoms.

I still vote for just inventing a reversible sterilization process. Men and women receive it as children. To get it reversed you need to pass a whole bunch of tests in order to show you'd be a competent parent. We don't let you drink booze until 21 and you need to be 18 to join the army, but you can pop out a damn baby at 15 if you choose.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I didn't gloss over it, have you forgotten the last couple pages? I explained why I don't think either of the videos shows that human body parts are sold for profit and I said that it should obviously be investigated by the authorities.

So her saying she wants to sell enough body parts to buy a Ferrari is just "meh."