For Blacks Americans, US about as dangerous as Rwanda

Originally posted by Bardock42
I was asking whether you would agree with the summary, surely not even you can call that a strawman.

I don't. I think using terms like "common" are too strong for my point. It pushes it closer to what Newjak said which I disagreed with: "majority." I would actually be more inclined to agree my position represents an uncommon American Progressive than an common one. But my point rests somewhere in between common and uncommon but sits closer to uncommon, if you wanted to shift the topic to your terms. But I would prefer to stick to my exact words because I used them to exact my position.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree with 1 and 2.

So, like always, why the **** are we even arguing? weep

Originally posted by Bardock42
I just don't agree that quite a bit of the American liberal sentiment boils down to the kind of racism you described. And I think the differences that both Newjak and me have explained are valid.

I have no idea how common it is but one thing I know for sure: subversive racism from progressive white people is there and black people get irritated/offended by it. Another one of my points was that just throwing money at black people does not genuinely solve black issues. Uhhh...maybe it was Omega Vision? But he worded it better. Money helps and it is needed. I don't want to strawman his point but I can look it up after doing some work stuff.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You did strawman. How is that hard to see?

Indeed. If people (not KMC people, only) sought to honestly represent their opponents arguments, debates could move along. But if people get caught up in trying to strawman points, the arguments will always devolve into shit slinging.

As far as racism in liberal cities goes...I think there is quite clearly racism in seemingly liberal cities.

Police brutalities, social programs that are superficially for everyone but seem to be targeted at minorities, racial profiling, racist criminal justice systems, etc.

So I figured I would pose this question here: do people think reverse racism is a thing that exists or a myth? Actually I find the term "reverse racism" silly, it is just racism. But anyways, I have seen attitudes from some in this country saying that minorities(specifically blacks usually) can't be racist against whites.

Don't get me wrong I am not trying to say there is some epidemic of racism against whites, rather just curious if people think this is a thing, because some truly don't feel it can be a thing because whites oppressed blacks in the past. I have seen some say "they can be prejudice, but not racist".

This article shows the line of thought following some of the other reasons people feel this way:

http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/reverse-racism-doesnt-exist/

I feel like there is a war against caucasian/christian's in America more then there is on black people.

This is another crazy story.

This lady killed herself in jail by hanging herself, and people are suggesting she was murdered in jail by the police.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/20/us/sandra-bland-arrest-death-videos-maps.html?_r=0

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I feel like there is a war against caucasian/christian's in America more then there is on black people.

Perpetrated by who?

Liberals, who else.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Liberals, who else.

In what way?

Originally posted by jaden101
In what way?

The way the media spins it.

Today for example, I was catching the highlights of the day on CNN, Fox and MSNBC.

CNN had a story about a black woman being arrested by a white cop. And she killed herself in jail. But people are actually suggesting she was killed in jail even though all evidence goes against this theory.

Fox was talking about Kate Steinle.

One network portrays the war of whites/cops against blacks.

The other talks about an illegal alien killing a white girl.

Now keep in mind, neither CNN nor MSNBC has talked about Kate Steinle at all.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
The way the media spins it.

Today for example, I was catching the highlights of the day on CNN, Fox and MSNBC.

CNN had a story about a black woman being arrested by a white cop. And she killed herself in jail. But people are actually suggesting she was killed in jail even though all evidence goes against this theory.

Fox was talking about Kate Steinle.

One network portrays the war of whites/cops against blacks.

The other talks about an illegal alien killing a white girl.

Now keep in mind, neither CNN nor MSNBC has talked about Kate Steinle at all.

Imagine what it must be like for your average American Muslim then.

It must suck

Would be interesting to see how it translates into actual discrimination in every day life.

If what I gather from different opinions is true, black people suffer more active discrimination than whites but have a more sympathetic media portrayal

Whites have less actual discrimination yet a less sympathetic media

Muslims get utterly hammered and even the most sympathetic media portrayals tend to be neutral at best yet there's less attention on discrimination suffered 'out in the real world' so to speak

Personally I'm guessing it's more to do with a polarised media in the US with almost nothing being even close to impartial. Whether that's reflective of or contributing to a polarised political landscape is up for debate. Does seem very 'divide and conquer'-esque to me though.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I feel like there is a war against caucasian/christian's in America more then there is on black people.

Originally posted by Surtur
So I figured I would pose this question here: do people think reverse racism is a thing that exists or a myth? Actually I find the term "reverse racism" silly, it is just racism. But anyways, I have seen attitudes from some in this country saying that minorities(specifically blacks usually) can't be racist against whites.

Don't get me wrong I am not trying to say there is some epidemic of racism against whites, rather just curious if people think this is a thing, because some truly don't feel it can be a thing because whites oppressed blacks in the past. I have seen some say "they can be prejudice, but not racist".

This article shows the line of thought following some of the other reasons people feel this way:

http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/reverse-racism-doesnt-exist/

I think there's a difference and I believe one is definitely more serious than the other. I think there's institutionalized racism and individualized racism.

For example, if a black person says to a white person, "I do not like/hate you because you are white", I believe it is racism but it is individualized. I also think it isn't as serious, simply because white people are not an oppressed minority, particularly in the U.S., like black people (and other minorities) are.

I mean, you say it happened in the past and I hear that point a lot but I don't understand how people can think that isn't massively influential. America's white population, in the past, had black people as slaves. Yes, that was abolished, but if you spill blueberry pie on your shirt, I don't think you can say a shirt is clean because you take the blueberry pie off of it. There is still a stain and the attitude and systemic prejudice toward black people and even other minorities operates in a similar fashion.

Only a mere fifty-something years ago, black people were consistently victim to a myriad of hate crimes in the States with almost no one to speak for them. It is not as bad today (another argument I hear) but it is not evidence that there is not a serious problem that remains.

Originally posted by The Lost
I think there's a difference and I believe one is definitely more serious than the other. I think there's institutionalized racism and individualized racism.

For example, if a black person says to a white person, "I do not like/hate you because you are white", I believe it is racism but it is individualized. I also think it isn't as serious, simply because white people are not an oppressed minority, particularly in the U.S., like black people (and other minorities) are.

I mean, you say it happened in the past and I hear that point a lot but I don't understand how people can think that isn't massively influential. America's white population, in the past, had black people as slaves. Yes, that was abolished, but if you spill blueberry pie on your shirt, I don't think you can say a shirt is clean because you take the blueberry pie off of it. There is still a stain and the attitude and systemic prejudice toward black people and even other minorities operates in a similar fashion.

Only a mere fifty-something years ago, black people were consistently victim to a myriad of hate crimes in the States with almost no one to speak for them. It is not as bad today (another argument I hear) but it is not evidence that there is not a serious problem that remains.

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I personally only use "racism" for institutional racism (as it common in some sociological discourse), and call what you call "individualized racism" as a prejudice. As to separate those two more clearly and will think racism against white people is in any way the same thing as racism against people of color.

Originally posted by Bardock42
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I personally only use "racism" for institutional racism (as it common in some sociological discourse), and call what you call "individualized racism" as a prejudice. As to separate those two more clearly and will think racism against white people is in any way the same thing as racism against people of color.

I call it all racism but that's because it is.

Some people like to distinguish these types of racism (including a sociologist or 2) as soft racism and hard racism.

Uhhh, here's a man explaining soft racism:

In soft racism 'race'... is not publicly acknowledged and no offensive comments or expressions are used , but strong undercurrent of racism and prejudice are implicit in its import. Soft racism is not aggressive, it is not violent, it does not use harsh or foul (racist) language. Instead, it uses subtle cues that are hard to distinguish from what would otherwise be thought of as 'considered judgement'. It is therefore sophisticated, not crude. It is in many ways implicit, a state of mind. Its outcomes are subtle as well: leading to discrimination against and devaluation of merit. And it is quite common in across the world – including in the West and India.

http://www.sabhlokcity.com/2010/09/soft-racism-in-the-west-the-last-frontier-for-equal-freedom/

Hard Racism is rather straightforward and simple and is the kind of racism everyone is familiar with.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I call it all racism but that's because it is.

Some people like to distinguish these types of racism (including a sociologist or 2) as soft racism and hard racism.

Uhhh, here's a man explaining soft racism:

http://www.sabhlokcity.com/2010/09/soft-racism-in-the-west-the-last-frontier-for-equal-freedom/

Hard Racism is rather straightforward and simple and is the kind of racism everyone is familiar with.

While what you said is also a categorisation of racism, and I agree with it, it is not what The Lost and I have been talking about.

Originally posted by Bardock42
While what you said is also a categorisation of racism, and I agree with it, it is not what The Lost and I have been talking about.

You're right. I only focused on your post. I focused on your use of "prejudiced" and figured I could give you a new way to view what you were trying to state. My bad.

Regardless, I'd like to say that part of the lingering racism issue in the US is the Soft Racism (which is applicable to this thread).

Originally posted by dadudemon

Regardless, I'd like to say that part of the lingering racism issue in the US is the Soft Racism (which is applicable to this thread).

Originally posted by Bardock42
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I personally only use "racism" for institutional racism (as it common in some sociological discourse), and call what you call "individualized racism" as a prejudice. As to separate those two more clearly and will think racism against white people is in any way the same thing as racism against people of color.

You used the word racism more then any other word, you just said it like 6 times.