Originally posted by cdtm
Goku has no limits in terms of growth potential. Every bump in power, he usually still has a defined upper limit, until the next upgrade.While with Superman (and indeed, many high end heralds from Surfer to Thor), they tend to have ill defined upper limits because of a code against killing and a "world of cardboard" syndrome where they're in perpetual fear of "breaking" someone.
So because of that, you'll get wildly different spikes in power level, and writers who like a higher powered version of the character having Thor explain that the guy he one shot KOed only wrecked the Avengers team every other week because he refuses to tap into more then a quarter of his strength against mortals, even if he takes a loss.
I've posted scans from Trial of Superman from the 90's, because it had three issues in a row of Superman fighting Cyborg Superman, under three different writere, and three wildly different results. Match 1, they're fairly even, round 2 has Superman blitzing the shit out of Cyborg (After tanking his best shot while he's tapped into a mechanical planet!), and fight 3 has a possessed Cyborg tank Supermans best punch, then KO him with simple heat vision (And the possessor makes no claim to amping Cyborg, but only says "According to these memories, I'm even more powerful then you are"😉
He still have limits though. Even New 52 admitted this. Both Goku and Superman have limits, I just think Goku grow more in power than Superman does on an average bases.
Overall, Goku is more powerful. Can't get any clearer than that. Goku could walk through some of the attacks that has dropped Superman or any top tier imo. This becomes a contest when you look primarily at high showings. On average, Goku probably wouldn't have to go super Saiyan to win this fight. Using nothing but high showings, people like Thor, Superman, and Hulk could give Galactus a fight and probably stomp Odin (especially Thor). A fight shouldn't be decided solely on high showings. EVERYTHING should be looked at.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Heh, true.Anyway, in the actual fighting scenarios, Goku always keeps his ki at a high lv. Not sure why the sucker shot is being mentioned. Maybe superfans believe it's Clark's only way to win? Yeah, probably that 😛
It still doesn't add up though. Goku at a power level in the 100's tanked an ongoing attack that leveled a big sized island. He tanked that crap without a scratch. This was a Goku at his weakest. Later versions of Goku could power himself all the way down to 1% of his power and still should be able to brush off a nuke.
Think people also forgot that a powered down Vegeta tanked this...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BrUiOmY0RLs
This attack was seen from space. No Herald and when I say this, I mean it, no Herald (and yes, including Hulk) is tanking that attack like it didn't happen. Vegeta stood in one spot grinning while that attack was going off and again, this is the weakest of DBZ characters...Vegeta at his weakest. Not even a percentage of what they currently are.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Heh, true.Anyway, in the actual fighting scenarios, Goku always keeps his ki at a high lv. Not sure why the sucker shot is being mentioned. Maybe superfans believe it's Clark's only way to win? Yeah, probably that 😛
You seem confused, who won the two death battles. 😂
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Like winning in Death Battle means anything.There's a youtube video in which Goku instant-transmission'd Superman to the planet with 3 red suns... and literally raped him afterwards. It counts just as much as Death Battle 😛
DB must mean something cause I don't see those video's being discussed. 😛
Originally posted by juggermanOh, okay. Makes sense. 👆
They did address this tho. They said Goku can overcome any limit. That's his whole character, overcoming the odds and breaking thru his limits. But breaking those limits takes time and training. If he has faced Buu right after Raditz he would not have been able to overcome that gap quick enough to win.
Originally posted by carver9
I'll direct you once you tell me about these Superman fts.
lol i asked first. and you deflected immediatley with some bs.... your doing a very bad job stating your point as to why goku would win. all i ask is for your to provide evidence as to why yet you cant even say any goku feats.
you also are the weakest link.....GOODBYE
Originally posted by yungz22
lol i asked first. and you deflected immediatley with some bs.... your doing a very bad job stating your point as to why goku would win. all i ask is for your to provide evidence as to why yet you cant even say any goku feats.you also are the weakest link.....GOODBYE
Goku hits him with a moon busting attack. Now name some Superman fts.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Heh, true.Anyway, in the actual fighting scenarios, Goku always keeps his ki at a high lv. Not sure why the sucker shot is being mentioned. Maybe superfans believe it's Clark's only way to win? Yeah, probably that 😛
Weak sucker attacks hurting him also flies in the face of early dragon ball, when gun shots had about the same effect as on Luke Cages steel hard skin.
Originally posted by yungz22
lol i asked first. and you deflected immediatley with some bs.... your doing a very bad job stating your point as to why goku would win. all i ask is for your to provide evidence as to why yet you cant even say any goku feats.you also are the weakest link.....GOODBYE
He fought on par with Bills at 70%, and defeated someone who was over 90% of Bills's strength. Bills is a universe buster, per Dragon Ball Super. I can link the episode.
Now list a feat that puts ANY version of Superman ANYWHERE NEAR this kind of power.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
He fought on par with Bills at 70%, and defeated someone who was over 90% of Bills's strength. Bills is a universe buster, per Dragon Ball Super. I can link the episode.Now list a feat that puts ANY version of Superman ANYWHERE NEAR this kind of power.
simce when is fighting someone a feat lol