Goku vs Superman Death Battle-Discuss

Originally posted by juggerman
The argument was about the statement itself. Gogeta was trying to prove that while the statement was true, it wouldn't produce an infinite weight. I was trying to show him why if the statement was true then it does indeed mean an infinite weight. Nothing inconsistant about it. You just didn't like the answer and are trying to call foul where none exists. Try harder

Look at your argument. This is your first post when you defend the book.

It's a book with infinte pages. That was established. Infinite pages equals infinite weight. It was written as clear as day. Just because you don't like it doesn't change it.

Also it clearly states "it contains every book_POSSIBLE". Let that sink in for a second. Not every book currently out. Not every book that has been written. But every book that could ever be possibly made. Meaning books that are yet to be. Also books that will never be. If they are possible, this book contains it.

That also takes into consideration books on other worlds, not just Earth. That means your numbers are WAY off just on that point alone as we see in the DCU there are books on other planets.

Look at how many times you said STATE (aka, statement). Look at your argument. You are clearly arguing the book has infinite pages.

You then bring up Superman lifting infinite weight (ya know, because the book was STATED to be a book with infinite pages). Here is another quote from you.

Superman lifted it with help which means they both lifted infinity. HAving two lift it doesn't magically make it finite especially when it was made clear it the text it was infinate pages. We can't discount that because you don't like it. It canonly had infinate pages and therefore infinate weight

I will go through every last one of your post if you sit here and tell me again you didn't use thay STATEMENT as evidence because ya did.

Does the book have infinite pages Juggerman?

Originally posted by carver9
Look at your argument. This is your first post when you defend the book.

It's a book with infinte pages. That was established. Infinite pages equals infinite weight. It was written as clear as day. Just because you don't like it doesn't change it.

Also it clearly states "it contains every book_POSSIBLE". Let that sink in for a second. Not every book currently out. Not every book that has been written. But every book that could ever be possibly made. Meaning books that are yet to be. Also books that will never be. If they are possible, this book contains it.

That also takes into consideration books on other worlds, not just Earth. That means your numbers are WAY off just on that point alone as we see in the DCU there are books on other planets.

Look how many times you said STATE (aka, statement). Look at your argument. You are clearly arguing the book has infinite pages.

Yes I am because it was said to have ever possible book within. His stance was that it had every book on Earth. The statement and what it meant was the debate. Whether or not the statement was true or false was not

Originally posted by carver9
You then bring up Superman lifting infinite weight (ya know, because the book was STATED to be a book with infinite pages). Here is another quote from you.

Superman lifted it with help which means they both lifted infinity. HAving two lift it doesn't magically make it finite especially when it was made clear it the text it was infinate pages. We can't discount that because you don't like it. It canonly had infinate pages and therefore infinate weight

I will go through every last one of your post if you sit here and tell me again you didn't use thay STATEMENT as evidence because ya did.

Does the book have infinite pages Juggerman?

Again the statement's meaning was in question. You may take as many of my quotes out of context as you would like. Doesn't change the meaning of the debate between me and Gogeta. He tried to make it seem as tho "every book possible" meant something other than exactly that. But keep on keeping on brother. Tis fun to watch

Originally posted by juggerman
Again the statement's meaning was in question. You may take as many of my quotes out of context as you would like. Doesn't change the meaning of the debate between me and Gogeta. He tried to make it seem as tho "every book possible" meant something other than exactly that. But keep on keeping on brother. Tis fun to watch

I see his argument but your argument is that Superman lifted infinity. You said this more than once. It's no way to take it out of context. Come on Juggerman, admit to it. Own up to what you said. You told the man to accept the fact that Superman lifted infinity. It can not get any clearer than this. Then Astner jumped in and you had a debate against him about Superman lifting infinity. Lol...I don't have a problem with you thinking this or believing that he lifted infinity (because ya said it bro) but what's suspicious to me is you accepting one statement that helps whoever win vs another statement that goes against whatever.

You're still my buddy but DANG!!! Lol, you're in denial right now.

Originally posted by carver9
I see his argument but your argument is that Superman lifted infinity. You said this more than once. It's no way to take it out of context. Come on Juggerman, admit to it. Own up to what you said. You told the man to accept the fact that Superman lifted infinity. It can not get any clearer than this. Then Astner jumped in and you had a debate against him about Superman lifting infinity. Lol...I don't have a problem with you thinking this or believing that he lifted infinity (because ya said it bro) but what's suspicious to me is you accepting one statement that helps whoever win vs another statement that goes against whatever.

You're still my buddy but DANG!!! Lol, you're in denial right now.

Based on the statement that the book had infinite books within it, the book weighed an infinite weight. That was what the argument was about no matter how you try to slice it.

I'll even help you here cuz I like you so much. Ask me directly if I believe the book had an infinite weight. No need to try to trap me with debate you clearly misunderstood. Just ask flat out

Originally posted by juggerman
Based on the statement that the book had infinite books within it, the book weighed an infinite weight. That was what the argument was about no matter how you try to slice it.

I'll even help you here cuz I like you so much. Ask me directly if I believe the book had an infinite weight. No need to try to trap me with debate you clearly misunderstood. Just ask flat out

I don't need to ask you anything because you (lol) said Superman lifted infinity. You then said Superman strength fluctuates because of his mental blocks. One day he could lift this but another day he would struggle lifting something else. You said this to defend why Superman struggles some days but prevails other days.

I was going to jump into you all argument and post something that would've ruined that argument (Superman needed the aid of other Supermen, in the same story mind you...pages before the Infinite weight showing, needed help stopping a couple of miles long ship), but I left it be. I read all of it. Knew what you all were discussing. Read all of it. Let's end this here. People can go back some pages and read what you said. I know what you said. So it really doesn't matter.

Anyways, Goku stomps with ease.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't need to ask you anything because you (lol) said Superman lifted infinity. You then said Superman strength fluctuates because of his mental blocks. One day he could lift this but another day he would struggle lifting something else. You said this to defend why Superman struggles some days but prevails other days.

I was going to jump into you all argument and post something that would've ruined that argument (Superman needed the aid of other Supermen, in the same story mind you...pages before the Infinite weight showing, needed help stopping a couple of miles long ship), but I left it be. I read all of it. Knew what you all were discussing. Read all of it. Let's end this here. People can go back some pages and read what you said. I know what you said. So it really doesn't matter.

Anyways, Goku stomps with ease.

I don't see why you were too scared to ask me. I'd give you a straight answer but alas.

So I guess this is that part where you say you'll drop it only to pick it right back up again? Either way it doesn't matter. Superman wins again 👆

Why ask something when I know the answer? Yep, I'm done with that topic.

Goku blitz the hell out of him 10/10. Worse than Shadow Dragon did.

Originally posted by carver9
Why ask something when I know the answer? Yep, I'm done with that topic.

Goku blitz the hell out of him 10/10. Worse than Shadow Dragon did.

I don't believe you.

Superman Screw Attacks him. Twice

EDIT: That is if we take them both at their best.

i feel like this a because i said so match lol the goku fans are like who needs evidence goku wins because i said so even tho he hasnt performed half of the feats superman had performed

The thing about this match up that's been funny ever since the infamous (and correct) wizard mag is how the superman legion has consistently been proven wrong about their low balling and blatant refusal to acknowledge what toriyama obviously intended. People like endless Mike spread so much propaganda for years that after awhile they convinced most of the Internet it was true. But anybody who is unbiased and a fan of characters all along knew it was bs.

They tried to say Dbzers weren't 100tonners
Proven wrong
Tried to say they couldn't blow planets they could only destabilize the core
Proven wrong
Tried to say they weren't fast and none of the blasts were FTL
Proven wrong
Tried to say Cell and the kais were lying about him being at least a solar system buster
Proven wrong.

Throughout all these years the low balling and biased interpretations against dbzers kept being proven wrong and that was before toriyama started adding more canon.

Now here we are again and the same strategies are still being employed against dbz. We know how this ends. The anti crowd will be proven wrong again. You can continue to low ball and call everybody in the story liars but in a matter of months we will see bills being a universe buster proven and Goku will be well past him. The writing was on the wall when they had broly and buu busting galaxies and they are insignificant to bills and current Goku.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
The thing about this match up that's been funny ever since the infamous (and correct) wizard mag is how the superman legion has consistently been proven wrong about their low balling and blatant refusal to acknowledge what toriyama obviously intended. People like endless Mike spread so much propaganda for years that after awhile they convinced most of the Internet it was true. But anybody who is unbiased and a fan of characters all along knew it was bs.

They tried to say Dbzers weren't 100tonners
Proven wrong
Tried to say they couldn't blow planets they could only destabilize the core
Proven wrong
Tried to say they weren't fast and none of the blasts were FTL
Proven wrong
Tried to say Cell and the kais were lying about him being at least a solar system buster
Proven wrong.

Throughout all these years the low balling and biased interpretations against dbzers kept being proven wrong and that was before toriyama started adding more canon.

Now here we are again and the same strategies are still being employed against dbz. We know how this ends. The anti crowd will be proven wrong again. You can continue to low ball and call everybody in the story liars but in a matter of months we will see bills being a universe buster proven and Goku will be well past him. The writing was on the wall when they had broly and buu busting galaxies and they are insignificant to bills and current Goku.

Don't care much about half the thing you're saying.

But, broly is non canon, and Buu never destroy shit.

Buu was destroying planets after planets he went too, not ****ing Galaxies.

You're also acting like Superman never fought powerful entities. H

Here's a few
Dominus
Emperiex Prime
Darkseid
Mandrakk

I can keep going if you want too.

Originally posted by yungz22
lol you are the weakest link.... goodbye

the fanboy is strong in this one (yoda voice)

Yeah, that flawed Family Guy joke got old the first five times you used it.

There's a reason that pretty much everyone else on here just ignores you. 👆

Originally posted by SquallX
Don't care much about half the thing you're saying.

But, broly is non canon, and Buu never destroy shit.

Buu was destroying planets after planets he went too, not ****ing Galaxies.

You're also acting like Superman never fought powerful entities. H

Here's a few
Dominus
Emperiex Prime
Darkseid
Mandrakk

I can keep going if you want too.

Broly might not have been cannon, but he was made by Toriyama. And Toriyama clearly has a pattern going when he made Buu a galaxy buster, along with Broly. You're acting like he didn't make the anime, as well as the manga.

And btw, Darkseid was weaker than Superman. Superman has beaten him 1 on 1 a dozen times before. Darkseid isn't a planet buster either, btw.

And when he fought Imperiex Prime, he was nearly killed worse than Doomsday was. Doomsday was stronger than Superman, and Imperiex reduced him to a glowing skeleton with a single blast. The only reason Superman survived at all was because Darkseid teleported him away, before Imperiex one-shotted him. And even after he got dozens of times stronger by training for weeks, he had no chance against Imperiex Prime. They only beat him, because they managed to teleport him to the beginning of time, so that he would get killed by the Big Bang. And btw, Imperiex was only a universe buster. As per Dragon Ball Super, Bills is ALSO a universe buster. And SSJGSSJ Goku is almost as powerful as him, to the point where he can fight on par with him. So SSJGSSJ Goku might not be able to beat Imperiex quite yet, but he could at least fight on par with him, like he does with Bills, who is essentially equal to Imperiex Prime so far. And that's a lot more than can be said for Superman.

Btw, Superman didn't fight Mandrakk. He piloted a giant robot, that was made by the Monitor's. It ran off cosmic energy, and let him beat Mandrakk. That was the thought robot, and it was in a completely different realm of power, than Superman was.

Originally posted by juggerman
I don't believe you.

Superman Screw Attacks him. Twice

EDIT: That is if we take them both at their best.

Really jugg's? You're resorting to using Screw attack as your argument?

These are the same people that have been proven wrong by pretty much everyone online, since they started their shitty web series.

The people who would rather use pixel scaling for their analysis of their least favorite series abilities, than just taking the statements and their support at face value. They argued plenty of times, about how the author's intentions allow Superman to do whatever he wants, but completely downplay it when Toriyama wants his characters to be FTL, and universe busters.

This shouldn't even be an argument. Superman can BARELY planet bust, AT HIS BEST, and Goku spends his time fighting on par with a universe buster, that can travel entire galaxies in a couple seconds just by flying.

Originally posted by SquallX
Don't care much about half the thing you're saying.

But, broly is non canon, and Buu never destroy shit.

Buu was destroying planets after planets he went too, not ****ing Galaxies.

You're also acting like Superman never fought powerful entities. H

Here's a few
Dominus
Emperiex Prime
Darkseid
Mandrakk

I can keep going if you want too.

What are you 15?
You addressed nothing I said, missed the entire point then went on a random spree which was completely irrelevant to what I said. Go away

Watched the fight. From an unbiased observer, Screwattack did seem to have an obvious bias by how they interpretted "feats".

Originally posted by SquallX
Don't care much about half the thing you're saying.

But, broly is non canon, and Buu never destroy shit.

Buu was destroying planets after planets he went too, not ****ing Galaxies.

You're also acting like Superman never fought powerful entities. H

Here's a few
Dominus
Emperiex Prime
Darkseid
Mandrakk

I can keep going if you want too.

Its taking everything in me not to pick this list apart. A lot of people that you've named, Superman did not beat them and Darkseid, come on. Really? Look at their fights.

No one is saying Superman is weak but Goku is far better on a CONSISTENT basis. Let's be real here. The only time this becomes challenging is when we look primarily at high showings.

Imperiex Prime almost killed him with one attack.