Originally posted by cdtmMy phone died typing a response. I need a new cord, **** is this annoying. Anyway.
Allright.Before proceeding, I want to verify whether this standard applies only to missiles..
An easy example is Odin or Galactus. Do we say nothing less then galaxy busting harms them, based on the fact they decimated galaxies?
Or do we look at fights like In Betweener or Giffen's Thanos as proof that they operate at a far lower level on average, and can be hurt by someone who can never bust a galaxy?
You also didn't answer what Goku pushing against Beerus's energy ball signifies. Is it a universal tank? Or resisting an undetonated potential universe buster?
Missiles are the only ones that require a chemical reaction to reach full climax, and those and bombs are one of the few things in comics to actually require or heavily rely on collateral damage in comics. Because they are usually meant to take out large areas of space, contrary to a fight where you just need to bang punch the opponent, more often than not.
Comic writers are largely inconsistent between each other, and since I know this is going to Dragonball, the series doesn't change hands every second appearance.
But since you asked, collateral damage also relies on context. The context is Odin had a galaxy shattering fight with Seth. Who is largely a big dumb powerless beaver. So while it shows Seth could destroy a galaxy, we could infer it was largely due to scope and you'd have a hard time arguing he could beat Thanos for example. Or, it was just an outlier and is Seth's highest feat ever if we put stock in that sort of thing.
Not sure what you're getting at with In-Betweener, but he's a universal creator and was tearing apart the multiverse. Again, high feats.
Thanos' body tanked a galaxy destroying attacking while he was dying... that being said, we have a statement that says Thanos going kablooey would only destroy a moon iirc. Yet he's destroyed a planet against Drax, and that's it. Thanos' attacks are largely directed at Thanos' opponents. We will likely never get his full power destroying a solar system because that's not the type of character he is. Thanos' power lies in overpowering other people who can effect larger areas of mass or space. Doomsday, Mangog, and others along this vein follow in his tracks.
Theoretically a whatever destroying attack would only need to destroy the most durable object in the whatever spread over a large distance. But it's hard to quantify that, as the power would be greatest closest to detonation. A galaxy destroying attack would do more damage to a being if him and the blast were trapped in Carver's closet than if the galaxy destroying attack hit someone out in the open. It'd look pretty, and it'd raise questions, but if we knew for a fact that were the case, then we could say that for fact (ignoring variables).
What this means, that if comics were all written by one dude who had Odin tank galaxy destroyers in his first appearance, we could assume every attack that knocked him out had more power per area even if it failed to blow up Carver's toe that stuck out of his worn in shoe, that was in the open not 12 feet away.
But the good thing here is that the missiles never detonated full force, and therefore we have no depth of power to quantify.
The only thing you can really use to judge the power of galaxy destroyers vs others, is we assume an instaneous destruction is more powerful than a chain reaction.
I also don't remember the specifics of Goku taking Beerus's energy ball, nor do I care to look it up.
My thoughts on that debate were posted in the thread, and then promptly sidestepped over in order to argue against Gogeta. That being said, an energy attack carries all the power it needs to in its initial attack. Only when it's specifically stated to have the main damage dealer being an explosion can we assume the initial attack is miniscule in comparison. Because Dragon Ball is not a missile. There are attacks that raise questions, but that leads into assumption land.
Is an attack only powerful because it blows up, or because it's a dense killing ball of power that if spread out in an explosion packs enough power to destroy the universe?
I think that's about it.
