Originally posted by yungz22
idk why you have such a need to bash your only reason for saying goku would win is because you like him more..... where are the feats that match to the showings superman has performed?if your response has anything other than what i just asked its an attempt to deflect from the issue at hand..... where is the concrete evidence to back up your claim that goku is stronger than supes and would beat him in a fight.
you guys are arguing against a man who has held a blackhole im his hand, bench pressed the earth and lifted infiniti. vegeta goten and trunks died from a planet exploding. supes literally tanked a black hole
You really shouldn't go around assuming things like that. While yes, I like Goku a lot more than Superman, Goku isn't my favorite fictional character. I like Superboy Prime more than I like Goku, and I still say that Goku would beat him, before SBP got his quantum energy boost against Monarch.
The fact that Elder Kai's statement got support in more recent DBS episodes, PROVES that Bills is indeed a universe buster.
And there is simply a required force of megatonnage that is required to destroy a universe. Something that Superman could never survive, in any incantation, which Goku tanks handily as a SSJG.
And SSJGSSJ is ALMOST as strong as Bills. Making SSJGSSJ Goku a NEAR universe buster. As in at least a 90-95% universe buster. Which is about twice as much as he'd need to casually kill the strongest incantations of Superman that there are.
Originally posted by SquallX
I find this pretty funny really. For all the bitchiness by some posters on Kal winning, even going as far as using his low of low showings in defense for Goku winning. Yet those same posters magically forget that Goku was snipe by a ray gun.This is the same Goku that was in his SSGSS form, with his battle aura around his body. Yet, one of Frieza's weak ass soldier snipe him, and Frieza even claim of Goku been bested by a mere ray gun.
You can make a defense and say that was a low showing for Goku, which i for one believes that whole heartily by the way, because it was a low showing. I can always say that Kal's heat vision would surpass a weak little laser that was fired by a weak soldier, a soldier that wasn't even a fighter, he was more of a battle strategists.
If were not using that low showing, i don't think we should use Kal's low showing like most posters wants to do, Carver being one of them.
What we should do is to take both character a there best and debate.
Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Because it wasn't a raygun that pierced him. It was a ring blast that was fired from Sorbet. And from the nature of his showings, it is very likely that the ring amplified, or even gave him, his abilities, similarly in nature to a Green lantern ring. Although probably nowhere near as powerful.
But anyway, if you had watched the movie, you would know that Goku was only hurt by it AT ALL, because he had become so overconfident that he let his guard down, and his durability became effectively human level.
No one is arguing against that here.
If Sorbet was Superman, and he used his heat vision instead of a ring blast, then YES, IT WOULD HAVE PIERCED GOKU JUST LIKE THE LASER DID.
But if it was a 1 v 1 fight, between the two, then Goku would be at full power, looking him down, while he blasted him with heat vision. And Goku would tank it, like he did Frieza's death beam on Namek.
Then, after Goku kicked Kal's ass, he'd either give him a senzu bean, or wish him back to life, and become best friends with him.