Originally posted by Galan007
Well yeah, that's why they killed Goku in the Death Battle--they didn't want to reopen the can of worms ever again.Regardless, a high-end Superman could likely still tank SSJG Goku's blows. Remember, Goku's strikes didn't even discharge planet/moon-busting energies at their epicenter--the shockwaves only became universal as they spread further outward... I'm guessing Toriyama was thinking of how a tsunami is formed when he introduced that ridiculous 'concept'. 😘
To be fair they kill everyone who loses in Death Battle. But that's a good point. Maybe Supes could tank the hits considering that.
Also carver pretended not to see what I posted on the last page. Guess I'll just have to post it again:
Originally posted by Galan007
The south galaxy was NOT destroyed. I've debunked this myth a few times in the past, but I guess I'll do so again...Firstly, how do we explain Movie 8's opening sequence, in which the south galaxy is seemingly destroyed in one fell swoop? Simple: we refer back to Kaioshin's statement immediately following that scene in the original(and most canon) Japanese-dub of the film:
Kaio: [b]"The Southern Galaxy has fallen under Super Saiyan attack!"
Kaio later tells Goku: "First go check the Southern Galaxy..." Which means it was still there for him to 'check'.
Paragus later states: "[Broly] is wreaking havoc all over an area of the Southern Galaxy with his fearsome power."
Anyway, while Goku was IT'ing through the south galaxy, we saw him streaking past a multitude of stars:
If stars were left intact, the galaxy was not destroyed.
Once Goku arrived on one of the planets in the south galaxy that Broly caused surface-level damage to, not only do we see another intact planet in the background, but we also see multiple stars in the background as well:
If planets and stars were left intact, the galaxy was not destroyed.
This is a screen-cap taken just before Comet Camori strikes New Vegeta(which, again, is IN the south galaxy):
Innumerable stars in the background+the planet itself. If planets and stars were left intact, the galaxy was not destroyed.
...And this is all secondary to that fact that IF Broly destroyed the south galaxy, he would have had to do so as a RESTRAINED-SSJ(which was the most powerful form he could assume while being mind-controlled by Paragus), because he was NEVER able to access LSSJ until he battled the Z fighters toward the end of the film. This is important because Goku was able to contend equally with restrained-SSJ Broly as a base-level Saiyan--so if restrained-SSJ Broly is a galaxy-buster, then you must be prepared to call base-level Goku a galaxy-buster as well, given that they were equals.
...And considering that even as of BoG, base-level Goku was still sub-Freeza-level, I find it quite laughable to assume that he(and/or those in that tier) was a galactic power... Especially YEARS earlier(during Movie 8/Cell-era), when he would have logically been much weaker.
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Originally posted by cdtm
Superman's survived a sun eaters energies, and attacks of multiple super novas, and even exotic energies like the source wall collapsing..If we're comparing high end feats, he can survive Beerus's best.
But he probably wouldn't walk through it like a summer breeze.
Who hasn't survived that energy? Lobo has as well.
Which multiple Super Novas?
Beerus would kill him in a single move and it wouldn't take Universal energy to do it, let alone solar system or planetary.
Originally posted by juggerman
To be fair they kill everyone who loses in Death Battle. But that's a good point. Maybe Supes could tank the hits considering that.Also carver pretended not to see what I posted on the last page. Guess I'll just have to post it again:
Thats a lot to read. Will read it tomorrow.
No one wants to get into a wall of text battle I get why he ain't trying to engage with all that shit. I'll keep it short, you see with your is eyes the galaxy fade. And even if you personally saw 100 planets all lined up saying the galaxy was destroyed would still be accurate as that would be a tiny fraction of a galaxy left. If I chop up your entire body but your finger you wouldn't say "oh well he DEFINITELY DIDN'T DESTROY THE BODY" derp. Don't be disingenuous.
Those translations differ from various ones I've seen in slight but important ways and the dbz universe has at least 4 galaxies in each quadrant from what I remember the last time I cared enough to really delve into this. So even if you destroy 99% a ton of planets would still be visible, likely the ones closest to wherever he was when he did his attack. Bottom line all the circumstancial biased interpretation in the world won't change what you can clearly see and whats been shown now
Originally posted by TheBadguy
No one wants to get into a wall of text battle I get why he ain't trying to engage with all that shit. I'll keep it short, you see with your is eyes the galaxy fade. And even if you personally saw 100 planets all lined up saying the galaxy was destroyed would still be accurate as that would be a tiny fraction of a galaxy left. If I chop up your entire body but your finger you wouldn't say "oh well he DEFINITELY DIDN'T DESTROY THE BODY" derp. Don't be disingenuous.
Those translations differ from various ones I've seen in slight but important ways and the dbz universe has at least 4 galaxies in each quadrant from what I remember the last time I cared enough to really delve into this. So even if you destroy 99% a ton of planets would still be visible, likely the ones closest to wherever he was when he did his attack. Bottom line all the circumstancial biased interpretation in the world won't change what you can clearly see and whats been shown now
Then, I'll try to get to the point from what I read in Galan's writing (which is make sense, for me).
1.) Broly wasn't a LSSJ yet back when galaxy was 'destroyed'.
2.) Later, we saw the planet and stars were still intact, even after we saw the scene where galaxy is fading away. Kaio told Goku to check the southern galaxy. If it's already destroyed, then why would Kaio ask Goku to check the southern galaxy?
3.) If restrained-SSJ Broly could destroy the galaxy, then is base-Goku also a galaxy buster, considering he is Broly's equal? The same base-Goku which isn't as strong as Freeza (Even later at Battle of God/DB Super pre-SSJG)
I would say that Byrne Era Superman would lose. Pre-OWAW Superman would have a hard fight, post would still win solidly. Current DCnU Superman would lose, pre-depowerment would win, though not easily. All in all I personally still think GT Goku is above SSJG Goku and would have the best chances.
Let's hope they change their mind, make a 3rd Deathbattle with those two and let Goku win. Everything that calms down the DB fans will help the forums.
