Originally posted by carver9
Who hasn't survived that energy? Lobo has as well.Which multiple Super Novas?
Beerus would kill him in a single move and it wouldn't take Universal energy to do it, let alone solar system or planetary.
Lobo's toon force, and basically immortal. (Heaven and Hell refuses to take him.)
Validus was threatened by a sun eater, and Ferro lad was killed by one. Superman was in the center of one as it collapsed.
And Source energy is a well documented plot device energy. Sitting out there unprotected as the entire Source Wall collapses and releases it's energy is AT LEAST comparable to Richard Rider and Annihilus riding out the multi system spanning Galactus Wave and surviving. (The same Source Wall that Darkseid was trying to tap since forever, and who Spectre merged with and became a Presence level being for one brief moment.)
I thought Screw Attack had settled this debate once and for all.
"But Superman is on a completely different level. One which doesn't belong in versus matches like these. Sure, due to the writing style of Dragon Ball Super Saiyan God's exact limits are difficult to pinpoint. Also Goku will likely achieve a new form form in the future. It's just how Dragon Ball works nowadays. However, none of that is really a factor. Goku will always have limits while Superman's maximum power is limitless."
Originally posted by cdtm
Lobo's toon force, and basically immortal. (Heaven and Hell refuses to take him.)Validus was threatened by a sun eater, and Ferro lad was killed by one. Superman was in the center of one as it collapsed.
And Source energy is a well documented plot device energy. Sitting out there unprotected as the entire Source Wall collapses and releases it's energy is AT LEAST comparable to Richard Rider and Annihilus riding out the multi system spanning Galactus Wave and surviving. (The same Source Wall that Darkseid was trying to tap since forever, and who Spectre merged with and became a Presence level being for one brief moment.)
Let's not pretend like Lobo hasn't been dropped.
Pre Crisis?
Wait a minute. Batman was in the same spot as Superman when the source wall exploded.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
*nonsense*Let's hope they change their mind, make a 3rd Deathbattle with those two and let Goku win. Everything that calms down the DB fans will help the forums.
Youre out of your mind. Superman losing in a fukin wizard mag set this whole debate off and going for like 15 years now. Its what prompted the smear campaign that lowballed goku and dbz and fooled the majority of the internet for years into thinking that goku was a weakling with "no feats". Half way into dbsuper when its become blatantly clear Goku is out of Supes' league deathbattle better just leave it alone which seems to be where they are with it currently, because if they have Supes lose the net will explode. Anime geek rage isnt anything compared to nerd neckbeard rage.
Originally posted by carver9
Let's not pretend like Lobo hasn't been dropped.
The same applies to Goku.
Pre Crisis?
Yes.
However, mainstream DC and LOSH power levels don't sync. (Mon El was crossing galaxies and pushing white dwarf stars for light years at the same time his younger self as "Lar Gand" needed a space ship to leave Earth.)
Wait a minute. Batman was in the same spot as Superman when the source wall exploded.
Not famaliar with that. I'm talking about Death of the New Gods where Mr. Miracle and Infinity Man broke the wall, and Metron noted Superman wasn't protected from the explosion of power (Which was twisting up his body like it was made of play doe).
Originally posted by cdtm
The same applies to Goku.Yes.
However, mainstream DC and LOSH power levels don't sync. (Mon El was crossing galaxies and pushing white dwarf stars for light years at the same time his younger self as "Lar Gand" needed a space ship to leave Earth.)
Not famaliar with that. I'm talking about Death of the New Gods where Mr. Miracle and Infinity Man broke the wall, and Metron noted Superman wasn't protected from the explosion of power (Which was twisting up his body like it was made of play doe).
You bringing up the ft is irrelevant since we do not know how much power Superman endured. It's unquantifiable.
Pre Crisis means nothing here.
Superman was shielded though. Infinity Man placed a shield around Superman body as shown here.
It eats suns. Final Night established a single Sun Eater is a threat to Earth, even with New God and LOSH support. Not to mention, Hal as Parallax died stopping it, and even depowered he was stomping A list teams of heroes..
Not after the wall broke and the energies washed them away, he wasn't in the shield.
Originally posted by TheBadguy
Youre out of your mind. Superman losing in a fukin wizard mag set this whole debate off and going for like 15 years now. Its what prompted the smear campaign that lowballed goku and dbz and fooled the majority of the internet for years into thinking that goku was a weakling with "no feats". Half way into dbsuper when its become blatantly clear Goku is out of Supes' league deathbattle better just leave it alone which seems to be where they are with it currently, because if they have Supes lose the net will explode. Anime geek rage isnt anything compared to nerd neckbeard rage.
I disagree. I was already roaming the internet Forums back than when Wizard made this article and it was mostly DB fans who tried to rub it into the faces of Superman fans in comic forums or Superman haters enjoying it. It wasn't a big deal for most except the real fanatics and most didn't take it serious as most didn't care much about Goku anyway.
Superman is still above Goku and only can lose if you take his lowshowings, as he has so many appearances he has enough of them for lowballers, which is sadly tha majority of the DB fans. His highs, or best showings, which portray the essence of him are above Goku. But this is neither here nor there.
Anyway, we have a third match, more or less and well..
Even the artwork is superior to Dragonball Super :/
Originally posted by TheBadguy
Youre out of your mind. Superman losing in a fukin wizard mag set this whole debate off and going for like 15 years now. Its what prompted the smear campaign that lowballed goku and dbz and fooled the majority of the internet for years into thinking that goku was a weakling with "no feats". Half way into dbsuper when its become blatantly clear Goku is out of Supes' league deathbattle better just leave it alone which seems to be where they are with it currently, because if they have Supes lose the net will explode. Anime geek rage isnt anything compared to nerd neckbeard rage.
Superman > Goku
Superman Feats > Goku feats
Goku is only mere Powerscaling/calculations ONLY
Superman is pure feats and author statements.
Is actually blatantly obvious that Goku isn't even DC top tier level.
Plus Screwattacks ACTUALLY gave goku the biggest boost he has ever achieved and still lost TWICE.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbevideo seems accurate. Thanks for posting 👆
I disagree. I was already roaming the internet Forums back than when Wizard made this article and it was mostly DB fans who tried to rub it into the faces of Superman fans in comic forums or Superman haters enjoying it. It wasn't a big deal for most except the real fanatics and most didn't take it serious as most didn't care much about Goku anyway.Superman is still above Goku and only can lose if you take his lowshowings, as he has so many appearances he has enough of them for lowballers, which is sadly tha majority of the DB fans. His highs, or best showings, which portray the essence of him are above Goku. But this is neither here nor there.
Anyway, we have a third match, more or less and well..
Even the artwork is superior to Dragonball Super :/
here is another accurate video 👆
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeoh boy haha
YouTube video😐