Goku vs Superman Death Battle-Discuss

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
If you don't mind I will give my opinion on more than Goku. Though I am as biased as most others so don't take it too seriously ^^.

Superman on average is HH to Low Trans
Goku Black Hair is High Meta
Goku SSJ 1-3 is about Low Herald to Mid Herald
Goku SSJG is HH, energywise he is low Trans to mid Trans
Lord Beerus is like SSJG Goku maybe just energywise solid mid Trans
Whis I could imagine to be around High Trans though we need to see more, he might be even solid in the Skyfather tier

Even with them destroying the universe you see them as only HH?

Do you have any specific showings that make you place them in these areas?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
If you don't mind I will give my opinion on more than Goku. Though I am as biased as most others so don't take it too seriously ^^.

Superman on average is HH to Low Trans
Goku Black Hair is High Meta
Goku SSJ 1-3 is about Low Herald to Mid Herald
Goku SSJG is HH, energywise he is low Trans to mid Trans
Lord Beerus is like SSJG Goku maybe just energywise solid mid Trans
Whis I could imagine to be around High Trans though we need to see more, he might be even solid in the Skyfather tier

😂 😂

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Honestly? Yes, I think superman would tank Gokus Kiblasts and no sell his punches/kicks. I also think that Goku would need to use his Ki to block HV, would have real troubles with FB and would get very fast down to Superman superior strength. You won't agree but this is how I see it and before you ask, I am very familiar with both.

What showings of Superman are you basing this off of? Which fights?

Originally posted by bbrem123
Even with them destroying the universe you see them as only HH?

Do you have any specific showings that make you place them in these areas?

They didn't destroy it as far as I can tell, and the way they might have done it is why I don't take it as something hugely impressive. For example, Superman once saved the Omniverse just by vibrating in the right frequency. Thor and another Thor had the power of a big bang in their strike, Green Lantern Kyle contained a Big Bang by willpower. Such feats are possible for Heralds. Surfer also controlled the energies of a Universe.

Also I still think that Galan is right and the DBU has 4 Galaxies.

If I would treat the DB chars like most of the DB fans do and (IMHO) wrongly place them above the Herald tier I would also have to place Superman at Omniversal levels, as it is more than once established that he is the source of everything in the DC universe, an anomaly, a nexus being who can defeat anyone if he has to. I prefer to not do this and place both at the most reasonable level. It's easy to highball one and lowball the other. It's fun sometimes if you want to make some fanboys angry but I just don't feel it.

Of one thing I am 100% sure though. Should Son Goku at his most powerful levels ever have the pleasure to face Superman in a crossover, he won't win or if the owners of the Dragonball franchise pay enough, he might but it will be very close and both chars will get their respect. Like in Thor vs Superman. But even then the fans of one or both sides will scream foul. You will never please the rabble, so why even bother? ^^

Originally posted by carver9
What showings of Superman are you basing this off of? Which fights?

Carver, no offense. I know that your mind is made up and nothing in this Internetverse will change your opinion. I heartily disagree with your opinion and won't play this game with you because it doesn't matter how convincing my arguments are, how good the feats will be and how obviously superior Superman will come out compared to Goku, you will lowball it and discredit it and if proven wrong, simply never reply to the questions asked. So let it be. Think what you want, it really doesn't matters, and accept that mine opinion differs^^.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
They didn't destroy it as far as I can tell, and the way they might have done it is why I don't take it as something hugely impressive. For example, Superman once saved the Omniverse just by vibrating in the right frequency. Thor and another Thor had the power of a big bang in their strike, Green Lantern Kyle contained a Big Bang by willpower. Such feats are possible for Heralds. Surfer also controlled the energies of a Universe.

Also I still think that Galan is right and the DBU has 4 Galaxies.

If I would treat the DB chars like most of the DB fans do and (IMHO) wrongly place them above the Herald tier I would also have to place Superman at Omniversal levels, as it is more than once established that he is the source of everything in the DC universe, an anomaly, a nexus being who can defeat anyone if he has to. I prefer to not do this and place both at the most reasonable level. It's easy to highball one and lowball the other. It's fun sometimes if you want to make some fanboys angry but I just don't feel it.

Of one thing I am 100% sure though. Should Son Goku at his most powerful levels ever have the pleasure to face Superman in a crossover, he won't win or if the owners of the Dragonball franchise pay enough, he might but it will be very close and both chars will get their respect. Like in Thor vs Superman. But even then the fans of one or both sides will scream foul. You will never please the rabble, so why even bother? ^^

Originally posted by bbrem123
Cool. I can respect that.

And I like Goku, I always did, just sometimes some of his fans make me forget it^^. Though Piccolo will always stay my fav from the DBU. ^^

Oh and though Goku wouldn't win against Superman imo or if it would be close, I think that Piccolo would beat Supes, because he is green, like Knite. xD

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
And I like Goku, I always did, just sometimes some of his fans make me forget it^^. Though Piccolo will always stay my fav from the DBU. ^^

Oh and though Goku wouldn't win against Superman imo or if it would be close, I think that Piccolo would beat Supes, because he is green, like Knite. xD

Well hell, Piccolo can make a sword and clothes out of thin air, why not Knite haha.

Originally posted by bbrem123
haha. I mean hey I can't say I agree with you on this but I can respect you opinion.

Well hell, Piccolo can make a sword and clothes out of thin air, why not Knite haha.

Thanks bro ^^.

Originally posted by bbrem123
haha. I mean hey I can't say I agree with your on this but I can respect you opinion.

Well hell, Piccolo can make a sword and clothes out of thin air, why not Knite haha.

No one agrees with him.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Carver, no offense. I know that your mind is made up and nothing in this Internetverse will change your opinion. I heartily disagree with your opinion and won't play this game with you because it doesn't matter how convincing my arguments are, how good the feats will be and how obviously superior Superman will come out compared to Goku, you will lowball it and discredit it and if proven wrong, simply never reply to the questions asked. So let it be. Think what you want, it really doesn't matters, and accept that mine opinion differs^^.

I just asked for a simple fight that makes you think Superman would tank everything Goku dishes out.

Originally posted by carver9
No one agrees with him.

Some people do and you know it. And more people agree with Superman winning than with your stance that Broly is a Galaxy buster 😉.

Originally posted by carver9
I just asked for a simple fight that makes you think Superman would tank everything Goku dishes out.

And I told you I don't play the lowball game with you.

its not like any of the db characters destroyed a universe on their own

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Some people do and you know it. And more people agree with Superman winning than with your stance that Broly is a Galaxy buster 😉.

And I told you I don't play the lowball game with you.

Besides, doesn't Death Battle include everything? So, pre crisis feats apply.

Originally posted by yungz22
its not like any of the db characters destroyed a universe on their own

Two people punches collided and almost took out a Universe, hell, and crossed over to the Kai's dimension. That's greater than any universal ft.

Originally posted by cdtm
It eats suns. Final Night established a single Sun Eater is a threat to Earth, even with New God and LOSH support. Not to mention, Hal as Parallax died stopping it, and even depowered he was stomping A list teams of heroes..

Not after the wall broke and the energies washed them away, he wasn't in the shield.

How much power did it use against Superman?

He was in the shield when the wall broke. How much of the source energy did the source absorb?

Originally posted by carver9
How much power did it use against Superman?

He was in the shield when the wall broke. How much of the source energy did the source absorb?

Meant to say how much of the source energy did the force field absorb?

Originally posted by carver9
Two people punches collided and almost took out a Universe, hell, and crossed over to the Kai's dimension. That's greater than any universal ft.

I guess you're brain magically skip over the point he made of Superman just vibrating and saving the Omniverse?

Originally posted by SquallX
I guess you're brain magically skip over the point he made of Superman just vibrating and saving the Omniverse?

Look at that entire scene. It wasnt just Superman at play during that scene and what does that have to do with strength? Can you see Superman replicating what Goku and Beerus did?

Originally posted by carver9
Look at that entire scene. It wasnt just Superman at play during that scene and what does that have to do with strength? Can you see Superman replicating what Goku and Beerus did?

You do know even if Superman's overall contribution to that feat only went up to 1%, that's still leagues ahead of Goku's best feats right.

Superman highest feats are leaugues ahead of Goku.