Originally posted by NemeBro
Sure, but at his highest Superman can bend the entire multiverse to his will.Base normal Superman and most/all of his incarnations not wielding cosmic power are much weaker than Goku now.
That Superman has occasionally been more powerful is only a product of the fact that his setting is much more powerful. I don't even think carver denies that.
Superman after spending less than a minute in the sun was able to survived near the energy output of Entropy.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Nothing was debunked. Luthor destabilized the omniverse but no other beings affected it, especially not by physical punches, and those punches changed and affected omniversal energies. I already explained it.
WTF...time was all jacked up while that was happening. Look at the entire comic. Hell, the city was still intact during their scuffle and Lois dead body didn't have a scratch on it. Make a thread with that scene in the comic vs forum and let's see people thoughts. Rage and Nemebro destroyed/debunked the hell out of that showing. I did as well. 🙂
Originally posted by carver9
WTF...time was all jacked up while that was happening. Look at the entire comic. Hell, the city was still intact during their scuffle and Lois dead body didn't have a scratch on it. Make a thread with that scene in the comic vs forum and let's see people thoughts. Rage and Nemebro destroyed/debunked the hell out of that showing. I did as well. 🙂
Yet we allow Goku and Beerus clash? There hits didn't even caused any collateral damage either. Stop ****ing nitpicking shits that serve you're agenda.
Originally posted by SquallX
Yet we allow Goku and Beerus clash? There hits didn't even caused any collateral damage either. Stop ****ing nitpicking shits that serve you're agenda.
Luthor was screwing with time during the Supermen scene. Maybe you all need to make a thread since you're unfamiliar with the showings you all are mentioning.
Also, Bills and Goku clash destroyed suns and planets. Relook at the show again.
Since Luthor meddling with the energies of the Omniverse/Multiverse was mentioned. Let me explain this. Everything was in flux, yet no one affected it in their fights and there were a sh1tload of fights. Only the physical clash of the two Supermen destroyed and recreated the realities. Only they had the power to affect it. Even if you are in doubt and say, no this power didn't came from them. Let me use Alexander Luthor to show you where everything in the DCU comes from, what the origin of the DC Omniverse is.
"Everything comes from Superman"
This is an established fact. You can read it in pre-crisis stories, the IC or FC. Superman is the source of the DCU.
That's why he can fights abstracts if he has to, that's why he can defeat Omniversal threats like Mandrakk and lift infinity.
Funny enough, one could argue that Goku too comes from Superman and wouldn't be like he is today. His childhood adventures were based on Wukong, DBZ however on Supermans story and the Krytonians. So yes, we wouldn't even have DBZ without Supes.
During the time both Supermen met, everything was messing up which even lead to Lois death. Hell, things around them were warping. Another Earth appeared above DCU Earth. Nothing was the same. When both Supermen met, since they were the key, every time they hit each other (no matter the power behind it), their past and present was warping. It wasn't a display of power. Power had a Lil to do with it but them being around each other was the main reason everything around them was warping. If you're going to post showings,post the entire fight, not some of it.
^Carver, which part wasn't clear to you? "Everything comes from Superman" is as clear as it can be. The whole DCU comes from Superman, iow he is the source.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
And without Greek heroes/ancient dieties(like Thor) we wouldn't have Superman. Don't forget to add a splash of Jesus.Look how far the rabbit hole goes.
Man how scans like that kill my interest in comics. They look like chip and dale dancers.
Never argued differently. Though the origins of Superman are:
Moses (the orphant part)
Samson (the superpowers)
Jesus (the savior part)
Nietzsches "Also sprach Zarathustra" (first origin and the name)
Still Superman was the first Superhero who started the whole thing. His influence is now everywhere, comics, manga, movies.
Originally posted by carver9
During the time both Supermen met, everything was messing up which even lead to Lois death. Hell, things around them were warping. Another Earth appeared above DCU Earth. Nothing was the same. When both Supermen met, since they were the key, every time they hit each other (no matter the power behind it), their past and present was warping. It wasn't a display of power. Power had a Lil to do with it but them being around each other was the main reason everything around them was warping. If you're going to post showings,post the entire fight, not some of it.
If your going to ignore scans, I'm going to report you.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
^Carver, which part wasn't clear to you? "Everything comes from Superman" is as clear as it can be. The whole DCU comes from Superman, iow he is the source.Never argued differently. Though the origins of Superman are:
Moses (the orphant part)
Samson (the superpowers)
Jesus (the savior part)
Nietzsches "Also sprach Zarathustra" (first origin and the name)Still Superman was the first Superhero who started the whole thing. His influence is now everywhere, comics, manga, movies.
Yeah based on the background of the original authors I should have trended more towards Jewish folklore. But I digress.
Yeah you can. Just like how you can find Goku in comics, manga, and everywhere. That is why iconic characters are iconic. And honestly were it not for Goku being an alien who came to Earth on a spacecraft I wouldn't think he was influenced by Superman at all. The two aren't really that similar in terms of conception.