No, he isn't. Muur fought Vong Krayt (who the former had initiated his healing technique on) for a period of time with no distinctive advantage either way, despite the fact that Muur was seven millennia out of practice with a blade, battling with Celeste for control of her body and using her lightsaber (which he was unfamiliar with), and controlling the Rakghouls.
He also has Dark Transfer, actually in-combat usable Drain, and can throw Malak's Lightning back at him. Malak isn't taking this.
Originally posted by SunRazer
We already had this, didn't we?Muur takes all. First round is a good fight. The others are pretty one-sided.
Don't post here regularly
So wouldn't know
Did say "let's play connect the dots" though
So let's play
Now, Malak aboard the Leviathan was generally stronger than Revan. Kind of a given when his ass was stasised and whirlwinded
Same Revan, on a Dark Side Nexus like Korriban, inside the tomb of Ajunta Pall, was sensed to be so strong in the Force by Pall it was "blinding"
Ajunta Pall is a peer if not objectively greater than Muur by virtue of having been the sitting Dark Lord
So I don't see any particular power gap
Ajunta Pall's spirit isn't the same as him in life, lol. He didn't even remember anything from his own time. Pall is pretty hard to gauge anyway. There's always going to be divided opinions on him.
And besides, Revan's natural strength in the Force obviously supersedes Malak's. Malak was just more proficient in wielding it up to the Leviathan.
On the other hand, Muur is more powerful than either Vong Krayt or Cade, who are frankly more powerful than Malak. His power feats are just better than Malak's too. And again, he can actually use Drain in combat against opponents without a nexus, he can catch and absorb/hurl back Malak's Lightning pretty easily, and he can use Dark Transfer as well. Those are edges that Malak simply can't circumvent.
You suddenly seemed convinced that Malak was more powerful, though.
Malak's Drain hasn't ever been used in combat before, and even on nexus, he only siphoned life energies from helpless Jedi captives in machines that were already drawing their life energies to him (Malak).
It's safe to say that Malak is similar to Bane and finds it virtually impossible to employ Drain in combat.
His telekinesis is great, but it isn't better than Muur's, that's for sure.
Originally posted by SunRazer
[B]Ajunta Pall's spirit isn't the same as him in life, lol. He didn't even remember anything from his own time.
So your argument is he doesn't remember how powerful he was in life nor is he able to sense his power that'd still be permeating the Tomb
Not what I was looking for tbh
Kind of disappointing as rebuttals go :hmm
Pall is pretty hard to gauge anyway. There's always going to be divided opinions on him.
How's it hard to gauge the fact he was sitting Dark Lord?
It's cut and dry, there's no reason to over think shit so long as contradictory data doesn't muck up the waters.
And besides, Revan's natural strength in the Force obviously supersedes Malak's. Malak was just more proficient in wielding it up to the Leviathan.
Maybe it's just because I tend to look at a bunch of different series more frequently, but I wouldn't assume Revan's sitting power didn't just increase as time went on like any other series
Why would his or Malak's reserves be a fixed figure exactly?
On the other hand, Muur is more powerful than either Vong Krayt or Cade, who are frankly more powerful than Malak.
Can't say I see it the same way, but I come from a different debate system
This is my attempt at fitting in yours *shrugs*
is power feats are just better than Malak's too. And again, he can actually use Drain in combat against opponents without a nexus, and he can use Dark Transfer as well.
Not particularly convinced nexuses offer much more than additive bumps myself with all the Jedi that function roughly as well on potent Dark Side nexus as the have
Or Thon and Bastila are just that monstrous, **** if I care or know
Malak's Drain hasn't ever been used in combat before
It's safe to say that Malak is similar to Bane and finds it virtually impossible to employ Drain in combat.
Which goes completely against the common theme of KotOR's games allowing easy and fast draining in combat situations.
His telekinesis is great, but it isn't better than Muur's, that's for sure.
Lmfao okay. 😂
1. No, the point is that Ajunta Pall probably wouldn't possess the same degree of power in the Force/influence with it. Most Sith spirits lack the same degree of power they had in life.
2. Well, the others were technically his Shadow Hands, which would suggest Pall's greater strength in the Force. I can concede that, but then, Ajunta Pall sensing Revan's power as "blinding" doesn't mean it's a direct comparison to his own power. Plagueis was astonished by Maul's speed and skill, too.
3. Actually, it's more that when character X senses the raw power of character Y, it can easily be them sensing their potential. When it came to Plagueis sensing an untrained Palpatine's power, or various beings sensing a young Anakin's power, or even Palpatine recognizing Maul's power - it's obvious that it wouldn't be overwhelming if it was just them as kids. The way I see it, your "potential" is just your natural power, but it's unlocked over time as your mastery of the Force increases through training and whatever other means allow you to influence the Force better.
4. That's not really how I debate.
5. He hasn't ever shown Drain against an opponent, and he's only demonstrated it against helpless enemies under very favorable circumstances. I think it's fair to say that Malak is like Bane (I doubt he's more masterful in the Force than Bane is, too), and finds Drain nearly impossible to use in combat.
@Ant - lol @ game mechanics. Couldn't care less about that any more, to be honest. Otherwise we can have Surik demolishing Nihilus with Force powers after weakening him, but we all know that's not true.
Again, I know Malak is a practitioner of the technique. So is Bane, and the latter was able to describe the technique in detail. Regardless, he was only capable of using such powers on a nexus, and even then, it would've been exhausting were it not for the life energies of those he drained. It's very clear Bane couldn't just perform it at will, and he mentions just that in BoS.
Sure, he drained those utterly helpless fodder Jedi whilst amped on a potent nexus, and with machines that were already leeching their life energies and drawing them to him. He enjoys none of those favorable circumstances here.
> Lists reasonable evidence suggesting Malak might be able to use drain in combat to a degree where suggesting it is out of the equation is pretty stupid.
> Ignores reasonable evidence suggesting Malak might be able to use drain in combat to a degree where suggesting it is out of the equation is pretty stupid.
> Continues to believe Malak cannot use drain in combat and that suggesting he can is out of the equation - yet saw examples that suggests he indeed can.
The fact there is evidence at all makes your "hasn't ever" point mute.
Unless you have something else worthwhile to add to this discussion, I think we are done here in regards to where this debate ended up.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
> Lists reasonable evidence suggesting Malak might be able to use drain in combat to a degree where suggesting it is out of the equation is pretty stupid.
> Ignores reasonable evidence suggesting Malak might be able to use drain in combat to a degree where suggesting it is out of the equation is pretty stupid.
> Continues to believe Malak cannot use drain in combat and that suggesting he can is out of the equation - yet saw examples that suggests he indeed can.The fact there is evidence at all makes your "hasn't [b]ever
" point mute.Unless you have something else worthwhile to add to this discussion, I think we are done here in regards to where this debate ended up. [/B]
Stop trying to use greentext speak you have no idea what you're doing.