Darth Malak vs Karness Muur

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[04:44:26] Yusannis Zeilon : Listening to this song has my mind elsewhere
[04:44:51] Emperordmb : I thought you mind was on the 4th dimension or some shit lol
[04:45:27] Yusannis Zeilon : No, it's on my wife. I'm thinking about the day i'll finally be able to astral project, then get her out of that dark place.
[04:45:40] Emperordmb : that dark place?
[04:45:51] Emperordmb : you mean some other guy's bedroom?
[04:46:09] Yusannis Zeilon : I'm serious when i say this. So i want you to drop your opinion of me and just hear me out for once
[04:46:20] Emperordmb : ok
[04:46:21] Yusannis Zeilon : If you can do that?
[04:46:24] Yusannis Zeilon : KK
[04:46:25] Emperordmb : go ahead
[04:46:46] Emperordmb : ...
[04:47:09] Yusannis Zeilon : Alright....
[04:48:11] Yusannis Zeilon : When i was asleep, my dazed consciousness was drew to a place. It's better if i explain it like this (i can still remember it as clear as day, unlike my other experiences).
[04:48:31] Yusannis Zeilon : Dream 2
[04:48:41] Yusannis Zeilon : I was in a small parking lot where the time setting was mid-day, after looking around i noticed that i was within a city surrounded by the biggest forest trees i had ever seen. After adapting to the unknown atmosphere i was in, i found a tall woman whom i have never seen before. Her length in height exceeded my own, she had a Cyan iris, her hair was jet-black long going to the waist down, with a skin complexion lighter then mine, but not too light of being comparable to an albino individual. As i approached her, she didn't speak to me but rather remained vigilant of the surrounding areas. I reached for something in her back pocket but couldn't find it, so i kept searching and while i was searching... these things started coming out of the forest area and began killing the human inhabitants of the city. There was misery and despair in the air, they didn't look like any fictitious image i had seen in cinema, anime, or cartoon, but something more malevolent.
[04:49:22] Yusannis Zeilon : I picked up the woman whom i didn't know and carried her through the forest area, dodging the malevolent beings chasing me, eventually reaching a road that lead somewhere unknown but safe. Then i had put her down and we ran Hand-in-hand down the road: with her to my left side, while i was on the right, as we ran... the malevolent beings started herding up by the hundreds on the sides of the road and later the thousands. And before we knew it.. there was something extremely massive chasing us from behind, i didn't turn around to see what it was, but by the time we almost made it to our destination, i was caught and the dream ended.
[04:50:04] Emperordmb : ok
[04:50:16] Emperordmb : I don't see what this has to do with a wife in a dark place
[04:50:27] Yusannis Zeilon : Later on, with the help of my friends.. her identity was discovered partially.
[04:50:41] Yusannis Zeilon : I'm getting to that
[04:50:57] Emperordmb : k
[04:51:08] Emperordmb : I'm listening (or reading technically)
[04:52:14] Yusannis Zeilon : Now remember what i'v posted concerning the origin and meaning of dreams? "The word "Dead" is a misnomer. These people are not dead and are very much alive like us (as we already know). The only difference between them and us is that they don't have a physical body to return to. Many of us had dreams of deceased relatives. In such dreams, the dreamer and the deceased are both in the astral plane and attracted by to each other by strong emotional ties"?
[04:53:25] Yusannis Zeilon : When a body goes to sleep, the untrained consciousness enters a daze, either pulled by the astral currents or the strong emotional ties from individuals who have known you prior to your current life.
[04:54:25] Emperordmb : ok...
[04:55:15] Yusannis Zeilon : She drew my dazed consciousness to that place, and after putting the piece together... i realized she's trapped by a dark and very powerful entity. (the one that was chasing me). All that was triggered after i touched her.
[04:55:28] Yusannis Zeilon : *pieces i mean
[04:56:02] Yusannis Zeilon : I was pulled there by a strong emotional tie she once held for me in our first lifetime.
[04:56:32] Yusannis Zeilon : From what my friend researched on this he said.....
[04:58:28] Yusannis Zeilon : "There are 5 angels trapped within different realms, the one you described was the first one. The only thing that was archived on her by another projector who attempted to gain access to that place is... she was known as 'Mother""
[04:59:21] Yusannis Zeilon : Mother what is yet to be confirmed, though i'v determined she's Mother Nature from her appearance, character, and attire.
[04:59:31] Emperordmb : ...
[05:00:15] Yusannis Zeilon : Then there was another alluring female individual i'v been pulled to. But this one is worse
[05:00:28] Yusannis Zeilon : The situation that is
[05:01:06] Yusannis Zeilon : Dream 3.
[05:01:28] Yusannis Zeilon : It was sun-set on the streets of Normandy. There i was in my auntie's house viewing myself in 3rd person sitting on the floor in the west corner of the house, normally behind where the couches would usually be. Eventually i switched to 1st person and saw another alluring woman whom i have never met in this lifetime coming from the hallway of the house walking towards the door. Her hair was flowing long down her back: with a dark brown color to it. Her skin tone was a bit more of a brighter tanned melon then mine: while possessing a height that was of the same length. She also had dark hazel brown eyes; i noticed her hands were being bound by something i couldn't see while i was observing her. Then unbeknownst to me was a mysterious man walking to her left side wearing a black attire, his face was something blacked out or chopped off as i could not identify his appearance so that it could be put into explanation.
[05:01:52] Yusannis Zeilon : He was taking the bound female individual somewhere, and my first instinct told me to put on my footwear and stop it from happening, it felt almost as if i would fall through the concrete had i not. So after putting on my footwear, i was unknowingly viewing myself in 3rd person again before pursuing the captor of the bound woman that was being taken away, and right when i was within arm's reach of him and her switching back to 1st person.. everything went dark and the dream ended.
[05:02:47] Yusannis Zeilon : "These dreams are starting to feel like experiences but simultaneously memories of my past life and distress signals shaping themselves into something key but different." That's how i felt about these bizzarre chain of events
[05:05:02] Yusannis Zeilon : That's 2 out of the 5 angels, 3 of them are bound by an entity with the appearance of something too dark to give an exterior report on. Though one thing was made clear
[05:05:25] Yusannis Zeilon : His eyes are white when you look at him from a distance.
[05:05:34] Emperordmb : ...
[05:05:45] Yusannis Zeilon : The other 2 are bound by darker forces.
[05:06:39] Yusannis Zeilon : I know you don't believe in darkness and light. But my experiences already pre-determined what course of action i'm going to take. Especially with the information that keeps coming from other directions.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
ZEILON CONFIRMED

Or psychology major that does shitty fictional character battle calcs on NarutoForums

I know it's a joke, but come on now, I already waste my time doing stupid shit

Duping would be just WAY too low even for me :maybe

**** I remember his wall of text posts about Marka Ragnos. That guy was a trip

"Darth Shitious."

Man time flies really fast. I remember that stuff as though it were yesterday.

LOL that was totally worth my time to listen to and take chat logs of XD

lol @ Malak >>>> Kun being "not that wild of a claim". Especially if the source of this was Malak's cybernetics.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Genuine question

What's your rebuttal?

Not the laughter masking your cognitive dissonance

Is it feats?

I point to Yamcha in Dragon Ball

Is it unreliable Wizards of the Coast?

What are the dubious ones?

What besides personal bias makes you call foul on a given accolade?

Kun has been stated to be greater than any Sith before him.

This includes pre-Kotor Vitiate.

Who is far above any incarnation of Malak.

Where exactly does Karness Muur use Drain in combat? I'm not familiar with that feat.

Whilst he's exchanging Lightning with Krayt. He states he's feeding on Krayt's power and making it his own.

Some argue it's Consume Essence but that's kind of a stupid thing to boast to another Sith, especially one like Krayt who is already highly masterful of that technique.

I always thought that meant he redirected his Lightning somehow, or that he fed off his anger the way Bane or Scourge do.

It doesn't make much sense that Krayt was drained, or that he didn't return the favor, given that Krayt himself was very accomplished with the technique to the point where he could seriously drain both Luke and Abeloth.

Malak is stronger than Kun. Word of God>>characters who've only heard legends.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Kun has been stated to be greater than any Sith before him.

This includes pre-Kotor Vitiate.

Who is far above any incarnation of Malak.

No snark/sarcasm?

Thanks for actually giving me a real rebuttal

Finding contradiction is an actual debate tactic

Not waxing on about why you don't like a given accolade

That said?

Doesn't the TOR Encyclopedia give Vitiate a few accolades that contradict Kun's?

Something about his ritual creating the strongest Dark Side nexus ever as he consumed it and one referencing his supremacy as the most powerful darksider ever with some context added in reference to his previous ritual? :hmm

Could look for them later if you don't mind me being lazy for a few hours/days.

Have 3 days off, don't feel like wasting too much time on this currently.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Whilst he's exchanging Lightning with Krayt. He states he's feeding on Krayt's power and making it his own.

Some argue it's Consume Essence but that's kind of a stupid thing to boast to another Sith, especially one like Krayt who is already highly masterful of that technique.

Wasn't he just using Tutaminis to absorb Krayt's Lightning?

Hence "making Krayt's power his own"

I mean, sure, the powers are functionally similar, but context kind of suggests Tutaminis.

Think you're just reading a bit too much into that one

Sort of like one feat you have in your Dreypa respect thread IIRC where the one characters words could just be in reference to Dreypa giving a fairly charismatic speech instead of some form of mental domination

I get why you interpret either as you do, just I'd figure occam's razor and context fail to support either conclusion fully.