Darth Malak vs Karness Muur

Started by FreshestSlice4 pages

Malak being far stronger than Kun is a major blow to Kun, however.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Malak being far stronger than Kun is a major blow to Kun, however.

Not particularly on a purely cross fictional level

Nor does it mean his feats and who he can powerscale from got weaker


Same Revan, on a Dark Side Nexus like Korriban, inside the tomb of Ajunta Pall, was sensed to be so strong in the Force by Pall it was "blinding"

Korriban!Revan was post-Leviathan. Could just as easily say "same Revan" took down Malak on one of the most powerful dark nexuses in the mythos, despite the Sith being fueled by the power of nearly a dozen captive Jedi Knights. 👆

Ajunta Pall is a peer if not objectively greater than Muur by virtue of having been the sitting Dark Lord

👆 Much like Kaan was objectively greater than Darth Bane.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Korriban!Revan was post-Leviathan. Could just as easily say "same Revan" took down Malak on one of the most powerful dark nexuses in the mythos, despite the Sith being fueled by the power of nearly a dozen captive Jedi Knights. 👆

So

You're saying fresh from the Leviathan Revan, which is what Korriban was, grew exponentially from his fight with Malak to meeting Pall

He still had half Korriban to go through and all of Lehon

👆 Much like Kaan was objectively greater than Darth Bane. [/B]

The straw man and lack of cogency is legit as ****

Malak, especially if you take the Nadd/Kun accolade of his at face value. Although for me it implies the guy is more in whatever tier they inhabit rather than him being superior since it's ambiguous to begin with.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Not particularly on a purely cross fictional level

Nor does it mean his feats and who he can powerscale from got weaker


It actually does. It's not about Kun's feats being any less not-worthy, it's more about his placing in the Star Wars hierarchy. Malak was beaten by an amnesiac, while amped. Revan obviously wasn't at his best in KotOR, on multiple occasions. So while this is a case of making Malak look better, it undoubtedly makes Kun look much worse.

Or Revan was just that good to start off with. 😉

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It actually does. It's not about Kun's feats being any less not-worthy, it's more about his placing in the Star Wars hierarchy. Malak was beaten by an amnesiac, while amped. Revan obviously wasn't at his best in KotOR, on multiple occasions. So while this is a case of making Malak look better, undoubtedly makes Kun look much worse.

That's not remotely how it works

Malak rises, Kun doesn't fall.

It only means Revan and Malak are awesome

Saiyan Saga Goku's no less awesome because Yamcha eventually surpasses him in the android arc

Same thing here

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Or Revan was just that good to start off with. 😉

Pfft. I refuse to place Revan, on a good day, any higher.
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
That's not remotely how it works

Malak rises, Kun doesn't fall.

It only means Revan and Malak are awesome

Saiyan Saga Goku's no less awesome because Yamcha eventually surpasses him in the android arc

Same thing here


That analogy isn't even remotely comparable.

Originally posted by Kosmos Supreme
WoC evidently claimed Malak was far stronger than Exar Kun.
I wouldn't trust them.

http://www.comicvine.com/darth-malak/4005-47892/forums/darth-malak-respect-thread-1549693/

Malak > Vader tier confirmed.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Pfft. I refuse to place Revan, on a good day, any higher.

That analogy isn't even remotely comparable.

That's called bias, not an argument :maybe

I mean, I know this hobby only has the veneer of objectivity, but there's only so much subjectivity you can allow for it to function

Yes, I know from the smiley you're hardly serious :maybe

Originally posted by AncientPower
Malak = Vader tier confirmed.

LOL

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
That's called bias, not an argument :maybe

I mean, I know this hobby only has the veneer of objectivity, but there's only so much subjectivity you can allow for it to function

Yes, I know from the smiley you're hardly serious :maybe


That's because this isn't an argument, yeah? I'm not debating with Ant about Revan. I don't have it in me. I've see Revan feats and accolades and made my choice on his placing, which pretty high if you must know. I added the smiley because Ant knows all this.

Originally posted by carthage
LOL

I laughed harder tbh.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I laughed harder tbh.

Genuine question

What's your rebuttal?

Not the laughter masking your cognitive dissonance

Is it feats?

I point to Yamcha in Dragon Ball

Is it unreliable Wizards of the Coast?

What are the dubious ones?

What besides personal bias makes you call foul on a given accolade?

Because Kun has been (somewhat) compared favourably to Darth Vader and listed numerous times as one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time.

He knows more Force techniques than almost any Sith in the mythos, including Naga Sadow, Freedon Nadd and Darth Vader.

Also he is repeatedly referred to as the greatest Sith and darkest power of his era, which is back when Old Republic meant everything before PT, not the TOR term used these days.

Malak's jawplate >>>>> Exar Kun

nut up and deal with it people this is canon

Originally posted by AncientPower
Because Kun has been (somewhat) compared favourably to Darth Vader and listed numerous times as one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time.

He knows more Force techniques than almost any Sith in the mythos, including Naga Sadow, Freedon Nadd and Darth Vader.

Also he is repeatedly referred to as the greatest Sith and darkest power of his era, which is back when Old Republic meant everything before PT, not the TOR term used these days.

Frequency and volume of accolades is frankly of little relevance

Sidious would still reign supreme with only one for example

Or Yamcha's just Wall level

So, instead of nothing, address my original question

cognitive dissonance

cognitive dissonance

cognitive dissonance

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE

ZEILON CONFIRMED

Dun dun DUN!!!!!!!