Originally posted by zopzop
Seeing as how he starred down Adam Warlock with the IG, or orders Eternity/Infinity/etc.. around like a boss, I'd say : no.As an added bonus, he doesn't have to worry about losing his power if someone does anything to his wings. 😉
By your standard of destroying universes, LT would be lucky to be Trans level going by Last Planet Standing.
Happy now?
Originally posted by zopzop
What have they done to place them above Skyfather?Just recently Surtur, a Marvel Skyfather, was going to destroy the entire universe till Odin stepped in and saved the day.
Lucifer's highest feat was creating a universe with his brother's power (that universe didn't even have angels/abstracts/etc...).
Give me a sledgehammer and I can pretty profoundly destroy a car in a couple of hours. But, afterwards, I most certainly cannot put it back together how it was in a similar timeframe.
Originally posted by abhilegendBut since even combined with what, several other cosmics and all his power LT could only throw enough energy to endanger solar system.
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The "blowback" after destroying that Galactus would have destroyed the solar system.
But the cosmics weren't attacking the solar system, they were going to attack that Galactus.
This type of shit happens all the time.
I remember Eternity using all the power he could muster to destroy Thanos,
and after attacking Thanos, with all of his power, the blowback only destroyed a planet:
Does this mean Eternity's full power is planetary? Of course not, only an idiot would think so.
I have plenty more examples if needed. Although, knowing you, it won't matter much.
Gabriel is an archangel responsible for preserving all the worlds in creation, so Lucifer being stabbed by him isn't really that bad.
Also, some people don't seem to understand that the whole debate of whether Lucifer created a single universe or a multiverse is irrelevant. Because Lucifer was also the one who created the original Vertigo reality which without a doubt was confirmed to be a multiverse. Among other things like his interactions with the Endless which confirm that he is indeed a multiversal power.
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's false.The "blowback" after destroying that Galactus would have destroyed the solar system.
But the cosmics weren't attacking the solar system, they were going to attack that Galactus.
This type of shit happens all the time.
I remember Eternity using all the power he could muster to destroy Thanos,
and after attacking Thanos, with all of his power, the blowback only destroyed a planet:Does this mean Eternity's full power is planetary? Of course not, only an idiot would think so.
I have plenty more examples if needed. Although, knowing you, it won't matter much.
Learn to read first.
And Eternity was always a pussy, so I'm not sure what you are trying to say. That LT is a pussy too who needs assistance in defeating an alternate Galactus?
Originally posted by abhilegendReed flat out says that the energies are a threat to solar system and "the earth" will be lost in blowback.
But it's the "blowback" that will destroy anything other than Galactus:
Again, let me know if you need me to splatter the page with proof that this happens all the time.
Originally posted by abhilegendAnd Eternity was always a pussy, so I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
Big time "pussy."
"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,
the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"
Originally posted by operator616
Gabriel is an archangel responsible for preserving all the worlds in creation, so Lucifer being stabbed by him isn't really that bad.
Also, 'preserving all the worlds in creation' isn't exactly an impressive job title. The PF has been called "the mother of stars" and it's not all that impressive in the MU cosmology.
Why the hell are we low balling the characters for?
A simple question was asked, no more no less.
We know only there best feats would be use, why use there lowest ones.
By this low balled, does this mean the Flash is slow since Slade reacted to him? or Thor is weak since Captain America fought hm and survived?
No, all it means is they have low showings like any characters.
As for this, i see them evenly with LT, but below TOAA.
Originally posted by SquallX
Why the hell are we low balling the characters for?A simple question was asked, no more no less.
We know only there best feats would be use, why use there lowest ones.
By this low balled, does this mean the Flash is slow since Slade reacted to him? or Thor is weak since Captain America fought hm and survived?
No, all it means is they have low showings like any characters.
As for this, i see them evenly with LT, but below TOAA.
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Originally posted by SquallX
Why the hell are we low balling the characters for?A simple question was asked, no more no less.
We know only there best feats would be use, why use there lowest ones.
By this low balled, does this mean the Flash is slow since Slade reacted to him? or Thor is weak since Captain America fought hm and survived?
No, all it means is they have low showings like any characters.
As for this, i see them evenly with LT, but below TOAA.
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Originally posted by Mr MasterWhen you're lying about the actual comment on the page? Yes.
Reed ain't lying. The energies are a threat.But it's the "blowback" that will destroy anything other than Galactus:
Again, let me know if you need me to splatter the page with proof that this happens all the time.
And the "blowback" will destroy earth, not anything.
Such a pussy that LT is.
Big time "pussy.""Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
[B]Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS" [/B]
With all that power all he can do is destroy a planet? What a pussy.
Originally posted by zopzopLets keep in mind that Archangel Gabriel is the father of Christ, so very important in the cosmology.
He looked like he was winning that fight till Yahweh stepped in and broke it up.Also, 'preserving all the worlds in creation' isn't exactly an impressive job title. The PF has been called "the mother of stars" and it's not all that impressive in the MU cosmology.
And both angels are beneath Michael and Lucifer.
The top angels harming eachother doesn't mean much.
Lucifer was confident in that he could destroy Dream or Death as concepts in dealings with both of them, and Dream knew challenging Lucifer as certain death.. Similarly it took 'a lot' of pre-Retcon Beyonder's power to accomplish killing Death.
A bit ambiguous on all levels but most things are at this place in the hierarchys... but these things speak generally to where Lucifer's power lies.
Just because it's drawn as swords and shields combat doesn't mean anything.
Originally posted by zopzopLucifer: Nirvana said it was a multiverse after he created it. Part of the same run under the same author.
We've been through this. It was a universe, the three distinct creations were merged into ONE :When Yahweh threatened to destroy "all creation", Elaine knew what it was :
"A Universe". The merged creation was A UNIVERSE.And in the next to final issue in the series, Elaine takes over and becomes one with creation and guess what it is :
"My mind runs across the universe".Now unless you got scans more recent than these calling it a multiverse or whatever. Post them please. Make sure they POST date the issues in these scans : Lucifer 68, 69, and the next to final issue 74.
We already know Yahweh's creation [the DCU] is much more than a universe.
That should be another clue.
Just because another instance refers to it as a universe doesn't change that.
