Originally posted by juggerman
They used both characters at their best. Well Supes wasn't at his "best best" but still Superman's best is above Goku's best.
Yea they would of have to used CA or Gold Prime One Million. But then again if they did that, their would not be enough tampons in the world to stop the bleed from carvers ass.
Originally posted by juggerman
They used both characters at their best. Well Supes wasn't at his "best best" but still Superman's best is above Goku's best.
They used all star Superman, New 52 Superman, Superman Prime, Post Crisis Superman, Pre Crisis and I think they added KC in there somewhere. They used fts from all of these characters. They used ONE GOKU. One. And then they dressed the Superman that Goku fought in New 52 clothing. They did a fusion dance for 5 Supermen vs one freaking Goku. There is something entirely wrong with that.
Using Super MEN at their best, yes, they can beat Goku.
Originally posted by carver9
They used all star Superman, New 52 Superman, Superman Prime, Post Crisis Superman, Pre Crisis and I think they added KC in there somewhere. They used fts from all of these characters. They used ONE GOKU. One. And then they dressed the Superman that Goku fought in New 52 clothing. They did a fusion dance for 5 Supermen vs one freaking Goku. There is something entirely wrong with that.Using Super MEN at their best, yes, they can beat Goku.
I'll have to rewatch it. I do remember All Star in there now tho.
In the second one they just used Post Crisis and New 52 right?
Originally posted by juggerman
😒 I hate you
😂 ...I just relooked at it and they didn't include Pre Crisis. They focused mainly on New 52 and Post Crisis Supes, AND All Star as well. They did show movie Supes...unsure if they used the ft though since they didn't say anything. They still used more than one Supes and then they got those fts wrong.
Originally posted by carver9Indeed, Cell's final Kamehameha had the power to destroy the solar system.
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/AngstromZero/media-full//superman_vs_goku.jpg.htmlIt had nothing to do with Superman though. I wanted to know what people thought of this scenario. I have been talking about Cell destructive power since Galan posted that scan.
Cell himself confirmed it in the manga:
And it was later confirmed in a canon guidebook which detailed the 'Grades' of Super Saiyan:
Originally posted by Galan007Translation:
-Super Saiyan Grade Five (Super Saiyan 2)-
"An aura with sparks like flashes of lightning and an upright, combative hairstyle are the distinguishing features of this, the strongest Saiyan warrior! One's personality also becomes aggressive; even the ordinarily gentle Gohan started to enjoy battle! Its power is enough to push back even Cell's energy bullet, which had enough force to blow away the Solar System!"
Furthermore, "blow away" the solar system implies that he could have wiped it out nigh-instantly with that one attack(ie. it wouldn't have been a lengthy domino effect or what have you)... And that was 'just' SSJ2-level power.
That being said, Beerus would still tank it completely unscathed, as he did with SSJ3 Goku's blast in the preview scene I posted earlier. 👆
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Well, not really. Don't forget Vegeta won against Shadow. The other winners from anime are Zechs Merquise (Epyon Gundam), and Guts.
Which is another thing that proves Screwwy attacks bias. They claimed that SSJ1 Vegeta was faster than Shadow, who can move light speed, but then claimed that SSJ4 Goku was only 4X light speed at top speed.
They can't stick to their stories. They keep changing what they're saying, to make the scenario better for the characters they favor.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Which is another thing that proves Screwwy attacks bias. They claimed that SSJ1 Vegeta was faster than Shadow, who can move light speed, but then claimed that SSJ4 Goku was only 4X light speed at top speed.
IIRC they never said anything about Vegeta being faster than Shadow. And for SSJ4 Goku, their calculation only showed SSJ4 is only over 2 times speed of light. Not 4.
Originally posted by juggerman
You keep asking me questions but you don't answer mine. What feats does Goku have with just physical strength. Not just Goku, but anyone in DB. The best feats that I recall are punching thru King Kai's planet by SSJ3 Goku and tossing the pillar by Tao. Both of which can be done by Supes in his sleep. If you don't have the feats you have to concede the point.
There are other raw strength feats in DB, like, for example, Gohan blowing up the Cell Jrs with his bare hands.
The fundamental yardstick of DB characters' powers is Freeza: without him, nobody would remotely consider the DBZ crew as strong.
- Energy output: 1st form Freeza, with a 530'000 BP level which is then considered fodder in the very same saga, is capable to blow up a planet with 10 times the gravitational force of Earth.
- Physical resistance: a drained final form Freeza, cut in half, survives the explosion of planet Namek. Now, someone could say that this physical resistance is a peculiarity of Freeza's race, still, this feat permits us to classificate the power of post-Namek DBZ characters, who are indeed capable to destroy Freeza with both energy and physical attacks.
In fact, as an example, we have Ssj Trunks who is capable to cut an albeit suppressed Mecha Freeza in half with utmost ease, yet, Ssj Goku's finger imbued with Ki easily resists the hits of Trunks' sword. This happens because Goku's BP is > Trunks', and higher Ki implies higher physical strength as well.
Then, a stronger Ssj Trunks attacks #18 but his sword breaks on the cyborg's arm: this happens because Trunks' Ki is not enough to overcome #18's higher BP.
At the end of all this, we have the Cell Jrs: these dudes are even superior to suppressed PC and they can tank any type of energy and physical attack from characters on par and below suppressed Perfect Cell's battle power, yet Ssj2 Gohan makes them literally blow up with his fists.
Given all the previous implications, isn't this an enormous display of physical strength?
An things in DB go on like that continously: Ssj3 Goku could stand motionless reading a newspaper and nobody of the previously mentioned characters would be able to scratch him, not with energy attacks nor physically, yet a singer finger-flick from Beerus is enough to make him roll like a ball. Isn't this a display of great physical strength as well?
Originally posted by Galan007
Indeed, Cell's final Kamehameha had the power to destroy the solar system.Cell himself confirmed it in the manga:
And it was later confirmed in a canon guidebook which detailed the 'Grades' of Super Saiyan:
Furthermore, "blow away" the solar system implies that he could have wiped it out nigh-instantly with that one attack(ie. it wouldn't have been a lengthy domino effect or what have you)... And that was 'just' SSJ2-level power.
That being said, Beerus would still tank it completely unscathed, as he did with SSJ3 Goku's blast in the preview scene I posted earlier. 👆
Won't it be a hyperhole for what Cell said?
He can be arrogant saying so.
Originally posted by Sj_SharpI think you mentioned this earlier, but feats like these would require gargantuan strength in their own right:
There are other raw strength feats in DB, like, for example, Gohan blowing up the Cell Jrs with his bare hands.
The fundamental yardstick of DB characters' powers is Freeza: without him, nobody would remotely consider the DBZ crew as strong.- Energy output: 1st form Freeza, with a 530'000 BP level which is then considered fodder in the very same saga, is capable to blow up a planet with 10 times the gravitational force of Earth.
- Physical resistance: a drained final form Freeza, cut in half, survives the explosion of planet Namek. Now, someone could say that this physical resistance is a peculiarity of Freeza's race, still, this feat permits us to classificate the power of post-Namek DBZ characters, who are indeed capable to destroy Freeza with both energy and physical attacks.In fact, as an example, we have Ssj Trunks who is capable to cut an albeit suppressed Mecha Freeza in half with utmost ease, yet, Ssj Goku's finger imbued with Ki easily resists the hits of Trunks' sword. This happens because Goku's BP is > Trunks', and higher Ki implies higher physical strength as well.
Then, a stronger Ssj Trunks attacks #18 but his sword breaks on the cyborg's arm: this happens because Trunks' Ki is not enough to overcome #18's higher BP.
At the end of all this, we have the Cell Jrs: these dudes are even superior to suppressed PC and they can tank any type of energy and physical attack from characters on par and below suppressed Perfect Cell's battle power, yet Ssj2 Gohan makes them literally blow up with his fists.Given all the previous implications, isn't this an enormous display of physical strength?
An things in DB go on like that continously: Ssj3 Goku could stand motionless reading a newspaper and nobody of the previously mentioned characters would be able to scratch him, not with energy attacks nor physically, yet a singer finger-flick from Beerus is enough to make him roll like a ball. Isn't this a display of great physical strength as well?
...Especially when we factor in how friggin tiny 4th form Freeza was:
Goku's canon height=5'9", so Freeza would likely fall somewhere in the 4' range... And maybe 100lbs, max.
I'm no mathologist, but I can still say with certainty that Goku would have to apply astronomical amounts of force in order to hit/throw something as small as Freeza, hard enough to shatter mountains.
Originally posted by Blockythe1guyIn theory, yes.
So, Someone like Fat Buu can destroy Solar System in one attack then? hm
